ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

[moosed]

Also to those saying they are a one man team, they were top of the league whilst suarez was suspended...

I've said it before and i'll say it again, they will win the league... not because they are amazing but because they have a striker who is on a different level to everyone else at the moment, aguero's just got himself injured for 2 months and in general city don't look THAT consistent, Chelsea aren't going to win the title either... they are all over the place at the moment and far from convincing plus they don't have one single striker who can scores goals regularly.

Arsenal will bottle it later on in the season whilst Saurez will continue banging in obscene amounts of goals eventually resulting in Liverpool somehow winning it not through their greatness but through everyone else's struggles, similar to how we blagged it into the champions league in 2004/2005

Feel free to quote me on this at the end of the season, it was always going to take a freak season of transitions etc to enable them to win a title and this is the year, i can feel it in my plums.

let the neggin commence

 

[efcforeva]

Serious? Van Persie and Aguero are both better. Suarez has scored 11 of his goals against Norwich, West Ham, Fulham and West Brom. Van Persie and Aguero score in the tightest games, not just get loads against the crap sides. They also both offer more to the team. Suarez is a good player no doubt, but don't let the rs hype machine carry you away.

Talking of Aguero what is it with the rs and playing against top players? Aguero went down injured at the weekend and Zabeletta tonight. Spurs without Vertonghen and Chiriches who were their best players against us. It always seems to be the case.

Does it really matter that much against which teams a player scores the most? Anyway just out of interest below are the goals RvP, Aguero and Suarez have scored against the top 8 teams this season:

RvP: Arsenal = 1 goal
Aguero: Arsenal, Spurs (x2), Chelsea, Everton, Man Utd (x2), Newcastle = 8 goals
Suarez: Spurs (x2), Everton = 3 goals

So as you can see Aguero is clearly in the lead in terms of scoring against the 'big teams' but you have to take into account that Suarez missed the first 5 games of the season (in which they played Man Utd) and is still to come up against Man City and Chelsea.

Personally I think both Aguero and Suarez are the two most lethal players in the PL at the moment but what may give Suarez the edge is that he is getting all these goals playing alongside inferior players.

I mean just imagine the difference receiving service from the likes of Silva, Nasri, Navas, Yaya Toure and Fernandinho versus Henderson, Allen, Lucas and Coutinho!

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Luis Suarez is vastly bigger than LFC

 

[Big Fat Sam]

So funny how he is flavour of the month again and his racism and transfer demanding has now been swept under the carpet after he's scored a few goals. Liverpool captain. Lol!

 

[Little Ralphy]

Does it really matter that much against which teams a player scores the most?

If you want to win something it does, as it’s all about the points return of the goals. Is getting the last 2 in a 4-0 win the same as getting the 1 in a 1-0 win?

In the tight, difficult games is when you want your striker to score his goals. RVP hasn’t had the best of seasons so far thanks to injury etc. but when he was at Arsenal or even last season at Utd he’d win big games or rescue points by popping with a goal when it mattered most. Aguero just scores against everyone, regardless of how good they are, I think he’s possibly the best striker in the World for that.

I always think of the Kezman example when looking at strikers. He came from the Dutch league and everyone raved about how he’d scored more than RVN there, who had been banging them in for United at that time. But if you looked closer at the stats RVN was scoring every week regardless of the opposition whereas Kezman had been banging in hat-tricks against the crappy sides, thus scoring more goals. The stats look better so on the face of it, you would think he may well be the better player, but looking deeper in to the stats throws up a very different story. Obviously there are lots of other aspects of being a striker as well but that was just looking at the goals.

Anyway just out of interest below are the goals RvP, Aguero and Suarez have scored against the top 8 teams this season:

RvP: Arsenal = 1 goal
Aguero: Arsenal, Spurs (x2), Chelsea, Everton, Man Utd (x2), Newcastle = 8 goals
Suarez: Spurs (x2), Everton = 3 goals

So as you can see Aguero is clearly in the lead in terms of scoring against the 'big teams' but you have to take into account that Suarez missed the first 5 games of the season (in which they played Man Utd) and is still to come up against Man City and Chelsea.

Personally I think both Aguero and Suarez are the two most lethal players in the PL at the moment but what may give Suarez the edge is that he is getting all these goals playing alongside inferior players.

I mean just imagine the difference receiving service from the likes of Silva, Nasri, Navas, Yaya Toure and Fernandinho versus Henderson, Allen, Lucas and Coutinho!

Thanks for the analysis there, I think it confirms the Aguero theory, the lad is just a machine. As stated above I don’t think this is Van Persie’s best season as he’s been injured on and off for most of it and United have been really poor as well.

I do think Suarez is a good player and it’ll be interesting to see those stats again at the half way stage but there is no denying that he does score a lot of his goals against the lesser sides, banging in hat-tricks against Norwich isn’t the same for me as Aguero’s return.

I take the point about inferior players etc. but don’t forget the system is still set up to create the chances for him, whereas at City their goals tend to be more spread out throughout the team. I always thought that about Baines assist stats under Moyes, Everton played to have Baines create the chances whereas other full backs were not afforded that luxury. So naturally the stats favoured him, but it didn’t mean that he would necessarily be able to repeat that in a different side. Not to take away the quality of the players in question, just an observation of their role in their particular side.

 

[Saint Domingo]

No one can seriously proclaim him the best player in the world. He hasn't ever done it at the highest level in the champions league. Messi and Ronaldo have banged in almost a goal a game for the last few seasons including against the games best defenses in Europe on the way to multiple trophies. Suarez has scored a few against Norwich Fulham and a hapless spurs team. It was only a few weeks back Curtis Davis had him in his pocket. Best goalscoring form in the world the past few weeks? That would be a fair boast. Best striker in the prem? You could have a debate (in which the kopites would ignore all data points before Suarez's good form this season) between him Van Persie and Aguero. But as usual the deluded mob have to go as far as best player in the world don't they, desperately clinging on to any sort of glory they can. I guess they're not winning the passing anymore so they have to shout about something. Why can't they just be normal like most fans, football would be so much more enjoyable if they weren't so paranoid desperately insecure and dare I say it bitter.

 

[Jags..class]

We have to remember the last three games
West Brom and Spurs have both lost their managers, the manager lost the dressing room, He always scored a bagful against Norwich, they now face Cardiff who manager had been undermined by the owner in public, the timing been very good to Liverpool, our result against Fulham was better then their result against spurs, we faced a hungry Fulham who were organized and a new manager where spur players were disorganized and lack of fight.

 

[toffeeben15]

People ought to check out there everton thread on rawk. ****ing scumbags

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

People ought to check out there everton thread on rawk. ****ing scumbags

Doesn't bother me at all

The fact they have a thread shows that the lie they've always had about not caring about Everton and being above us is slowly starting to unravel

Everton fans have always been honest. We don't like them and want to beat them. The threa don RAWK just proves they're the same

 

[MartSlinger]

He thrives playing against ****e teams, hence the amount of goals he has, Liverpool have played some god awful teams since he's returned.

Aguero is better.

 

[Little Ralphy]

But as usual the deluded mob have to go as far as best player in the world don't they, desperately clinging on to any sort of glory they can. I guess they're not winning the passing anymore so they have to shout about something.

I honestly think the club are expecting some activity in January, and are trying to price him out of the market or get a World record fee for him. He isn't cup tied in Europe, so the danger is there that a big club may come in for him to help try and boost their Champions League effort.

No doubt the new contract will have a massive release clause in it, if he signs it.

 

[moosed]

He thrives playing against ****e teams, hence the amount of goals he has, Liverpool have played some god awful teams since he's returned.

Aguero is better.

suarez has scored more goals in less games whilst being surrounded by some very average team mates, his goals also tend to be more spectacular and created by himself.

saurez is better, honestly don't understand how people can argue otherwise. aguero is insanely good as well though.

 

[hullefc]

When Real or Barcelona coming knocking he will be off like a shot, new contract or not. Real could come in January to help them win either the League or the Champions League. Or maybe Barcelona will try for him to help them win the Champions League.

 

[Wat Tyler]

Also to those saying they are a one man team, they were top of the league whilst suarez was suspended...

I've said it before and i'll say it again, they will win the league... not because they are amazing but because they have a striker who is on a different level to everyone else at the moment, aguero's just got himself injured for 2 months and in general city don't look THAT consistent, Chelsea aren't going to win the title either... they are all over the place at the moment and far from convincing plus they don't have one single striker who can scores goals regularly.

Arsenal will bottle it later on in the season whilst Saurez will continue banging in obscene amounts of goals eventually resulting in Liverpool somehow winning it not through their greatness but through everyone else's struggles, similar to how we blagged it into the champions league in 2004/2005

Feel free to quote me on this at the end of the season, it was always going to take a freak season of transitions etc to enable them to win a title and this is the year, i can feel it in my plums.

let the neggin commence

They won't win the league mate. Their squad is not good enough, there is actually every chance we will finish above them.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Suarez is an amazing footballer like

He's just a cheating scum bucket