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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"
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Steve0
Player Valuation: £35m
weird rawkite
This implies the only time someone mis-controls a ball is when they try to dribble it. The stats show everyone is dispossessed more times than attempted dribbles. So it's a bit of a red herring.
Which is....odd.
Then he selects messi, which just proves my point that Salah is overrated compared to genuine talent.
THEN he cherry picks an underperforming player to make Salah look better. Use that made up D+U / Drib stat and compare with hazard, sterling, de bruyne, et al.
I hope he is a troll. If not, then his inability to use statistics properly is offending me to my core.
When you are approaching any comparison, you need to break up the players tasks on the pitch into stats and then look at those key areas, rather than look for a few things one player is better than the other, then list those. If we worked on the latter basis, Sigurdsson is better than Messi as he gives the ball away the exact same amount as Salah. And Fellaini is even better than them both. He would probably be the best attacking midfield in the world.
So if you are using statistics and finding Fellaini & Sigurdsson are coming out the best, Messi, Salah & Sanchez the worst, you are probably using them wrong. So how should he do it?
Well there is a direct correlation between the amount you run with the ball and the amount you give it away, logically. Therefore if you want to get a true sense of the numbers there, you need to be plotting Disp + UnsTch / Dribbles per game. Take a whole bunch of players from around europe, throw them into a graph and you have a nice chart where you can see those who are falling way above or below the line.
Name Disp+UnsTch/90* Dribbles/90 D+U / Drib
Messi 3,5 + 1,9 = 5,4 5,7 0,95
Sanchez 2,4 + 3,1 = 5,5 1,9 2,89
Salah 2,1 + 3,3 = 5,4 1,8 3,00
Fellaini 1,0 + 1,0 = 2,0 0,5 4,00
Sigurdsson 1,3 + 1,1 = 2,4 0,4 6,00
And suddenly the list starts to make some sense.
The passing metric he uses is just the ratio of how many passes they complete. Again, using this metric the best 5 on that list are:-
1. Fellaini 83.4%
2. Sigurdsson 80.3%
3. Messi 80.2%
4. Salah 74.4%
5. Sanchez 73.4%
Again, there is likely more to it than that right? Well, yes there is. Which is why we use things like packing, passes into the box, touches in the box, things like that to break down the effectiveness of players in the attacking third.
But rather than focus on debunking the stats he has used, how wrong he is using them, the question is why focus on those stats at all. We are talking attacking players. So start with production, then look at stuff like expected goals, expected assists (to look for variance), then look at stuff like shots, key passes, dribbles - the things that increase production rates for sides. After that you can start looking at things like how much they give the ball away, or their passing.
If you want to see how someone who udderstands stats views Sigurdsson & Salah, then look at these instead from statsbomb's Ted Knutsen.
This implies the only time someone mis-controls a ball is when they try to dribble it. The stats show everyone is dispossessed more times than attempted dribbles. So it's a bit of a red herring.
Which is....odd.
Then he selects messi, which just proves my point that Salah is overrated compared to genuine talent.
THEN he cherry picks an underperforming player to make Salah look better. Use that made up D+U / Drib stat and compare with hazard, sterling, de bruyne, et al.
Steve0, for once, I think you might just be correct. Salah isn't that good, he's just going through a run of form where everything turns to gold. It happens quite often in football whereby average players will have a run of form that will see them transferred for massive money only to burn and disappear. That's why we should always steer clear of players that have only had 1 good season. Gylffi is just having trouble adjusting, he's proven in the Prem over the years and at International. I'm sure he will get it right and we will be looking back this time next year thinking we got the better player. Thanks for the stats Steve0 .
Honestly.. you're tiresome now
*awaits pm after kh runs to the mods whinging again when it's as clear as the nose on Phil Thompson face he is a kopite wum.
canuckblue
Player Valuation: £50m
And we have another entry.
Whoever does the sport on bbc has to be a RS ffs what a stupid thing to say
Iceland cost £11m more than Salah so I'll let him off passing the ball to central midfielders more often when Salah's scored 12 goals in 17 games.
Steve0
Player Valuation: £35m
It's not turning to gold though is it? He's scored a few one on ones and a mishit goal against spurs. He's mis-controls it more than pretty much anyone in the league.
He's a one footed Navas.
Steve0
Player Valuation: £35m
Three against the daily mirror, a massive deflection against seville, a mishit shot against Spurs, a pace goal against Arsenal's reserve defence, a tap in against Hoffenheim.
He's average.
12 goals in 17. People laud Rooney for scoring 5 in 18.
Salah will rip our miserable defence to pieces in 3 weeks time.
BillLovesRoo
Player Valuation: £6m
Is this a parody? Pace goal? A goal is a goal!
And a plucky loss to real madrid is a win don't you think ?
Steve0
Player Valuation: £35m
What did you think of Liverpool Football Club and their fans supporting the convicted racist with such vigour?
Ron Swanson
Player Valuation: £2.5m
'Convicted' racist? Is this the fistbump/handshake thing? Pro-Palestinian Egyptians on social media had threatened him and his family if he shook hands with the Tel Aviv team so he avoided it. Don't think that makes him a racist.
I do think he's overrated, though. His pace is his only strength. One bad injury and all that is gone.
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