ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

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Hopefully you're right mate but I don't have much confidence in Arsene "le bottlér" Wenger. Last time we went to Anfield we made Sturridge look like El Fenomeno.
You should be fine. They are writing in the Echo Rodgers has found a new system with 3 at the back. Their justification appears to be they are "playing to their strengths" and even if it leaves them exposed at the back they can out score the opposition.

It's like they have gone back in time 6 months spent 100 million, solved none of the problems and learnt not of the lessons. You won't get anywhere with a weak defence. They now no longer have a world class striker, and a host of dubious refereeing decisions to bail them out. I would be delighted if Rodgers switched to his gung ho approach. Markovic and Henderson as wing backs are truly shocking.

If Arsenal can hold their nerve for 20 minutes, sit deeper I can only see them scoring goals in this one. We can only hope Wenger has learned from last season.
 
Telegraph lists the top transfer targets (Coleman and McCarthy from us)

Here is the RS list of 19 - yes 19 players: - let's see how many arrive in January (or in the Summer) from this £351M Shopping List

Cech (7m), Casillas (8), Valdes (free), Vertonghen (18), Shaqiri (Bayern - 20), Clyne (20), Benzema (30), Reus (25), Pedro (25), Lavezzi (PSG, 17), Bony (25), Jackson Martinez (30), Kramer (Bayer Leverkusen, 20), Reid (West Ham - 6), Depay (25), Campbell (loan), Cabaye (20), Dybala (Palermo 25), Lacazette (Lyon 25)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...fer-rumours-Top-players-in-summer-window.html
 
Telegraph lists the top transfer targets (Coleman and McCarthy from us)

Here is the RS list of 19 - yes 19 players: - let's see how many arrive in January from this £351M Shopping List

Cech (7m), Casillas (8), Valdes (free), Vertonghen (18), Shaqiri (Bayern - 20), Clyne (20), Benzema (30), Reus (25), Pedro (25), Lavezzi (PSG, 17), Bony (25), Jackson Martinez (30), Kramer (Bayer Leverkusen, 20), Reid (West Ham - 6), Depay (25), Campbell (loan), Cabaye (20), Dybala (Palermo 25), Lacazette (Lyon 25)

I really hope they sign a big name foreign player. They will struggle to settle, Brent will have sold them the dream and the grim reality will be very different from what they expected. Some of the prices they are quoting there are nowhere near enough to what they would need to pay. January has a premium and Liverpool are in crisis.

I will be more worried if they go and sign some decent domestic players. Players like Vertonghen and Bony would hit the ground running for them.
 
That is outstanding.

Can only find the name of 7 of them though:

Make Us Dream
Make Us Dream (yes there's even two with the same title)
Daring to Dream
They Dared to Dream
We Go Again
Poetry in Motion
A Surprising Season

Anyone know the other one. More fun for kopite-mate baiting if i've got them all
 
Cech (7m) - Possible
Casillas (8) - Never in 100 years!
Valdes (free) - Possible
Vertonghen (18) - Why would he want to move sideways at this stage of his career?!
Shaqiri (Bayern - 20), - Again, why leave Bayern for LIVERPOOL?! He'd want to move to a big club like United.
Clyne (20) - Possible. Rodgers wouldnt be in for him though
Benzema (30) Hahahahahahaha
Reus (25) Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Pedro (25) Hahahahahahahahahaha
Lavezzi (PSG, 17) Hahahahahahahahaha
Bony (25) Possible but unlikely. ACON and Swansea will slap a £30 mill price tag on him.
Jackson Martinez (30) Possible.
Kramer (Bayer Leverkusen, 20) Kramer will demand CL footy which Liverpool can't offer.
Reid (West Ham - 6) Easy signing for them
Depay (25) Same as Reid
Campbell (loan) Who? Joel Campbell?
Cabaye (20) Why would he want to move BACKWARDS in his career? Would demand CL footy
Dybala (Palermo 25) Possible but also being looked at by the likes of Arsenal
Lacazette (Lyon 25) All the big CL clubs looking at this guy, can move where he wants in the summer
 
That is outstanding.

Can only find the name of 7 of them though:

Make Us Dream
Make Us Dream (yes there's even two with the same title)
Daring to Dream
They Dared to Dream
We Go Again
Poetry in Motion
A Surprising Season

Anyone know the other one. More fun for kopite-mate baiting if i've got them all

The last one was written by an Evertonian. It's called...

'In Dreamland: PMSL @ the Kopites'
 
The last one was written by an Evertonian. It's called...

'In Dreamland: PMSL @ the Kopites'
I think it would more likely read something like;
"An Exploration Between Hope and Delusion; Fieldwork into the collective memory of a delusional cult".

Brent fancies himself as something of a "charismatic leader". He speaks inane waffle which while not particularly intellectual exists well beyond the intelligence of your average Kopite.
The fact that he is in no way suited for a charismatic leadership position reflects upon Liverpool fans genuinely. He is unattractive, short, charmless and ordinary in just about every way. The fact that supporters of Reading and Watford saw through him shows you just how deluded kopites are.

It shows a weird neurotic tendency of their fans to want to experience being a football fan as if they were in a Hollywood blockbuster. When a two bob car salesman type figure comes along and learns to speak their language (ie the language of delusion and historical falsification) they are attracted to one another like a fly to muck.

It's difficult to know who enables who. It's kind of a co-dependant relationship. They require his nonsensical ramblings (paraded as a "philosophy") while he requires their adulation that he is inventing new ways to play football.

It has all the hallmarks of a cult. For the few learned intelligent ones they are starting to see beyond Rodgers, in the same way some of them started to see beyond Rafael. The deluded amongst them don't defend managers out of any sense of common decency, or a desire to not be like Chelsea, but because it fits their wider narrative that they exist in this bubble.

As I said when you talk to them, the way they call it "Liverpool football club" etc it is like they are acting in a film. It's like the "special" kid at school who was highly strung and thought everything was this huge drama. The problem is, in wider society we don't pander to it, but Rodgers deliberately panders to it to secure himself.

All any reasoned person would have seen last season was a team throw away a league title due to the arrogance and ineptitude of a manager. They may have to wait another 25 years for that opportunity to come again. For them though, everything has to be made into a celebration or a film.

That's why the only accurate book that could be written, is one that observes the collective self delusion that is exhibited by their fans. It would be groundbreaking in the field of psychology.
 
I think it would more likely read something like;
"An Exploration Between Hope and Delusion; Fieldwork into the collective memory of a delusional cult".

Brent fancies himself as something of a "charismatic leader". He speaks inane waffle which while not particularly intellectual exists well beyond the intelligence of your average Kopite.
The fact that he is in no way suited for a charismatic leadership position reflects upon Liverpool fans genuinely. He is unattractive, short, charmless and ordinary in just about every way. The fact that supporters of Reading and Watford saw through him shows you just how deluded kopites are.

It shows a weird neurotic tendency of their fans to want to experience being a football fan as if they were in a Hollywood blockbuster. When a two bob car salesman type figure comes along and learns to speak their language (ie the language of delusion and historical falsification) they are attracted to one another like a fly to muck.

It's difficult to know who enables who. It's kind of a co-dependant relationship. They require his nonsensical ramblings (paraded as a "philosophy") while he requires their adulation that he is inventing new ways to play football.

It has all the hallmarks of a cult. For the few learned intelligent ones they are starting to see beyond Rodgers, in the same way some of them started to see beyond Rafael. The deluded amongst them don't defend managers out of any sense of common decency, or a desire to not be like Chelsea, but because it fits their wider narrative that they exist in this bubble.

As I said when you talk to them, the way they call it "Liverpool football club" etc it is like they are acting in a film. It's like the "special" kid at school who was highly strung and thought everything was this huge drama. The problem is, in wider society we don't pander to it, but Rodgers deliberately panders to it to secure himself.

All any reasoned person would have seen last season was a team throw away a league title due to the arrogance and ineptitude of a manager. They may have to wait another 25 years for that opportunity to come again. For them though, everything has to be made into a celebration or a film.

That's why the only accurate book that could be written, is one that observes the collective self delusion that is exhibited by their fans. It would be groundbreaking in the field of psychology.
Nailed it
 
I think it would more likely read something like;
"An Exploration Between Hope and Delusion; Fieldwork into the collective memory of a delusional cult".

Brent fancies himself as something of a "charismatic leader". He speaks inane waffle which while not particularly intellectual exists well beyond the intelligence of your average Kopite.
The fact that he is in no way suited for a charismatic leadership position reflects upon Liverpool fans genuinely. He is unattractive, short, charmless and ordinary in just about every way. The fact that supporters of Reading and Watford saw through him shows you just how deluded kopites are.

It shows a weird neurotic tendency of their fans to want to experience being a football fan as if they were in a Hollywood blockbuster. When a two bob car salesman type figure comes along and learns to speak their language (ie the language of delusion and historical falsification) they are attracted to one another like a fly to muck.

It's difficult to know who enables who. It's kind of a co-dependant relationship. They require his nonsensical ramblings (paraded as a "philosophy") while he requires their adulation that he is inventing new ways to play football.

It has all the hallmarks of a cult. For the few learned intelligent ones they are starting to see beyond Rodgers, in the same way some of them started to see beyond Rafael. The deluded amongst them don't defend managers out of any sense of common decency, or a desire to not be like Chelsea, but because it fits their wider narrative that they exist in this bubble.

As I said when you talk to them, the way they call it "Liverpool football club" etc it is like they are acting in a film. It's like the "special" kid at school who was highly strung and thought everything was this huge drama. The problem is, in wider society we don't pander to it, but Rodgers deliberately panders to it to secure himself.

All any reasoned person would have seen last season was a team throw away a league title due to the arrogance and ineptitude of a manager. They may have to wait another 25 years for that opportunity to come again. For them though, everything has to be made into a celebration or a film.

That's why the only accurate book that could be written, is one that observes the collective self delusion that is exhibited by their fans. It would be groundbreaking in the field of psychology.

That's a RAWK Roundtable of a post!

I have to agree: that full "Liverpool Football Club" title they give themselves is laughably pathetic. They're like some hopelessly dated minor European royal puffing out their chest giving it the full "I am Prince von Wangleburger of Hohenzollern-Mecklenburg".

No one cares about their self important full title. To everyone else they're just 'that club' - forever mired in controversy.
 
That's a RAWK Roundtable of a post!

I have to agree: that full "Liverpool Football Club" title they give themselves is laughably pathetic. They're like some hopelessly dated minor European royal puffing out their chest giving it the full "I am Prince von Wangleburger of Hohenzollern-Mecklenburg".

No one cares about their self important full title. To everyone else they're just 'that club' - forever mired in controversy.
They just strike me as the attention seeking kid in school, or the one in the friendship group that is affected.

What's interesting is the collective DNA forces them to behave in such a way. Jesus we've all had disappointment as fans, losing the semi final to them was just pitiful. Indeed we can all have a bit of a laugh, or moan or cry about it now. Where it differs is that they think it is a world changing event that they need to share with everyone else. Anybody who doesn't share this vision is then hounded out.

I said it's a cult, but it has more in common with a Ghetto. The inward looking theatrical nature of them allows for such comical mistakes as the continued Suarez debacle. It's not just they are complete idiots, but that they exist in this paranoid parallel universe where the world exists to undermine them.
It's a comical mixture of grandular fever and paranoia that exists normally in individuals who are sectioned for being neurotic, but has become normalised behaviour for them. That is the only way you can explain away the idea that Alex Fergusan was taken time out of his schedule to plot a way to get a mid table teams striker banned for 8 games. Only those who are both delusional in their view of themselves and completely paranoid about the world could hold such an illogical position. But that's the concrete basis of Liverpool fans, delusion and paranoia.

I would say Rodgers has been smart enough to tap into that. I don't think he is though, he's just struck lucky. He's struck lucky with a bunch of whoppers who require inane nonsense over tangible data. The way they "defend" their managers is not the measure of a great fan, or a loyal one, it is representative of a mentally ill individual who splits their own feelings and emotions onto another person or object.

They hated Hodgson not just for poor results, but because "he didn't get what Liverpool football club was about". This was put down to him not knowing how to manage a big club (another delusional statement when one considers his track record). The truth is, he didn't play along with their delusion, he didn't pander to their ego's enough.

Lots of people on here defended Moyes, or Kenwright or Martinez. But not out of some mad desire that they were the chosen one, but because in our situation they are the best we could get. We don't invoke the memory of managers from 50 years ago in doing so.

What's always the amusing moment in all of this is the inevitable fall out. Redmen TV were going on about how they hated the fans were "split" on Rodgers (ie people disagree). The fact disagreement is so feared shows again the attitude of a Cult. Evidence is slowly showing Rodgers up. Like the crack addict their fans demand their fix of drama and excitement. It's not about winning the league, it's about all the attention they get. They aren't getting any now and they have no obvious target to blame. It's going to be a fun few months watching more of them find Rodgers out while others try to find some conspiracy to blame.
 
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