ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

[Zed Car]

I recognise Ed Sheeran and Freddie Mercury.. Not sure about the rest.

Tony Gubba & Zammo from Grange Hill there aswell

 

[GroovyAsh]

The same sky sports who employ Mane's girlfriend...
They don't try very hard when it comes to impartiality, do they ?

I'm presuming you mean Reddy from the Independent? If so, she's not his girlfriend, as far as I know. It's a pretty open belief in Africa that his girlfriend is Carol Tshabalala, who works for SuperSports. They're either in a relationship or very close friends, because she seems to get a lot of exclusive interviews with him and he does press with them that he doesn't for other channels.

I mean Sky is biased, we all know that. Most sports channels are. They're all about rubbing each others backs and who can stay friendly with certain people and get exclusives that others can't. Look at Jim White and Moshiri.

 

[EverTheOptimist]

Yeah the one difference though is that the likes of Messi Ronaldo Zlatan, all vegan yoga types their entire careers, bearers of genuine world class talent, have all pretty much been playing the game at a walking pace since they were about 33 after a career in far less physical leagues in better climates.

Milner is still running with Kante and De Bruyne at the age he is now despite a career in the most physical league in the world, not all of it spent with good teams on good pitches, and if anything he’s got better and faster than he was in 2014 when City decided he wasn’t good enough to play at their level. Bit odd that.

You keep repeating City dumped him, He refused a new contract at City, he turned down a £165k a week contract offer from City from multiple quick google top of the search links.

Maybe he's keeping up with Kante and KDB in sprints because they have the toll of playing every week and Milner is fresher because he hardly plays.

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He's been a bit part player for about 3 seasons, i'd understand your claims if he played every week, Seems every week Fabinho, Keita, Henderson, Thiago are the ones who start games for Klopp in midfield, while he sits on the bench.

I guess Modric who's 37 is dodgy when he starts 60 games a season for Real and Croatia, and Pirlo who was playing at Juve at 39 must be on something as well. The age of sports science, nutrition, preparation has gone over your head, you are stuck in the 90's and 00's mate, players being finished in early 30's is gone, it's the 2020's now and careers are being extended and it's been happening for about 5-6 years where the optimum age of the prime playing years has gone up to mid 30's now.

The game has changed Mate and you still cannot see the new evolution of the game with your own eyes, the game is quicker, stamina is better, coaching is better, nutrition is better and data is better.

 

[GroovyAsh]

Salah saying at the end there in his interview alongside thiago that thiago will enjoy the upcoming derby 'even more'. They believe they've slaughtered us already, would love it if we tore up the script and beat them.

Loathed as I am to defend them, Alcantara was talking about the atmosphere. Salad said "wait until Sunday" - presumably because he hasn't played an Anfield derby with fans yet.

They probably are confident of a win, but who wouldn't be with the state we're in? They'd never say that though. Klopp wouldn't let them, and nor would Lampard if we were in a similar position.

 

[GroovyAsh]

Advancement in the game is all well and good but it’s the same for all teams surely?

In any sport, the top level should see a tiny margin between competitors who all have access to the same resources and employ the best people. Records should slowly creep upwards as incremental improvements are made over time to the game as a whole.

I doubt very much that there is much difference in training facilities, diet, conditioning, data analytics, etc. between the PL clubs who have been in the league a long time. There certainly won’t be between United and Liverpool for example.

You can either blindly accept the beauty of sport and truly believe things like team sky cycling were just really clever, or all Jamaican sprinters of the same generation were super fast (when not many had been before), or truly believe that after years of the PL’s best sides struggling to break the 90 points totals that two sides come along at exactly the same time and break it 5 seasons in a row between them.

Some things can be explained by good tactics, good recruitment etc. but we’ve had all these things before. I just don’t buy that somehow Guardiola and Klopp are just so brilliant that they’ve unlocked the secret to consistency that somehow eluded every other manager in the history of the game.

Why would it be the same for all teams, though? A team can only do something if they've decided to invest in that method. Look at Wenger when he came in and banned booze, got them all eating pasta and having creatine supplements. Got them off steak and onto lean meats. Stopped them drinking after a game. It completely changed Arsenal. They had a competitive advantage because nobody else was doing that at the time. Now it's common practice. A lot of the stuff City and RS do will become common practice too, eventually.

The biggest teams have always been innovators. Fergie was one of them. United had one of the best fitness departments in the world, better than any other in the league. Carrington was state-of-the-art when it opened. They've stood still and let others take over. That's all it is.

 

[Marcus Halberstram]

You keep repeating City dumped him, He refused a new contract at City, he turned down a £165k a week contract offer from City from multiple quick google top of the search links.

Maybe he's keeping up with Kante and KDB in sprints because they have the toll of playing every week and Milner is fresher because he hardly plays.

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www.theguardian.com

James Milner signs for Liverpool on free transfer

Liverpool have confirmed that they will sign Manchester City midfielder James Milner on a free transfer. He held positive talks with the club this week after rejecting a new £165,000-a-week deal.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Breaking Down What Former Man City Man James Milner Will Bring to Liverpool

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He's been a bit part player for about 3 seasons, i'd understand your claims if he played every week, Seems every week Fabinho, Keita, Henderson, Thiago are the ones who start games for Klopp in midfield, while he sits on the bench.

I guess Modric who's 37 is dodgy when he starts 60 games a season for Real and Croatia, and Pirlo who was playing at Juve at 39 must be on something as well. The age of sports science, nutrition, preparation has gone over your head, you are stuck in the 90's and 00's mate, players being finished in early 30's is gone, it's the 2020's now and careers are being extended and it's been happening for about 5-6 years where the optimum age of the prime playing years has gone up to mid 30's now.

The game has changed Mate and you still cannot see the new evolution of the game with your own eyes, the game is quicker, stamina is better, coaching is better, nutrition is better and data is better.

can't remember what player interview podcast I watched but somebody once said Dion Dublin out ran everybody and was lapping the academy players.

 

[GroovyAsh]

can't remember what player interview podcast I watched but somebody once said Dion Dublin out ran everybody and was lapping the academy players.

Wouldn't surprise me. Dion Dublin was another famous teetotal player. Don't know if he is now, but he was for years and years. Looked after himself incredibly well as a player. I think he only had one major injury, the leg break that cost him his United career. But you don't play until the age of 40 like he did if you don't look after your body well. Always liked him, wish we could've had him.

As an aside, another reason the RS may have less issues with injuries is the amount of Muslim players they have. At least 5 or 6, as well as non-Muslim teetotallers like Henderson, Milner and Jota. And there's just as many who don't drink during the season. In fact, I'm surprised quite often how many footballers do drink regularly. I would've thought their managers/physios would've banned it, knowing the effect booze has on the body.

Must admit, I was shocked seeing Richy drinking a pint on his Insta the other week. I understand winding down but thought he might be one who abstained during a season.

 

[duncs pigeon]

You keep repeating City dumped him, He refused a new contract at City, he turned down a £165k a week contract offer from City from multiple quick google top of the search links.

Maybe he's keeping up with Kante and KDB in sprints because they have the toll of playing every week and Milner is fresher because he hardly plays.

James Milner edging closer to Manchester City exit after contract impasse

Manchester City are running out of time to tie James Milner down to a new deal, with the England international currently weighing up three proposals from clubs in Spain and Italy

www.theguardian.com

James Milner signs for Liverpool on free transfer

Liverpool have confirmed that they will sign Manchester City midfielder James Milner on a free transfer. He held positive talks with the club this week after rejecting a new £165,000-a-week deal.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Breaking Down What Former Man City Man James Milner Will Bring to Liverpool

James Milner was announced as the first signing of the summer for Liverpool at the beginning of June, with the 29-year-old midfielder kick-starting a recruitment drive that has so far seen six new faces join up with Brendan Rodgers' squad...

bleacherreport.com

He's been a bit part player for about 3 seasons, i'd understand your claims if he played every week, Seems every week Fabinho, Keita, Henderson, Thiago are the ones who start games for Klopp in midfield, while he sits on the bench.

I guess Modric who's 37 is dodgy when he starts 60 games a season for Real and Croatia, and Pirlo who was playing at Juve at 39 must be on something as well. The age of sports science, nutrition, preparation has gone over your head, you are stuck in the 90's and 00's mate, players being finished in early 30's is gone, it's the 2020's now and careers are being extended and it's been happening for about 5-6 years where the optimum age of the prime playing years has gone up to mid 30's now.

The game has changed Mate and you still cannot see the new evolution of the game with your own eyes, the game is quicker, stamina is better, coaching is better, nutrition is better and data is better.

And the PEDs are better

 

[arch stanton]

stinks in here tonight

 

[Noble Savage]

View attachment 163071Just saw this on facey hahhahaha

Edit: look at klopp hahahahah

Bumped as I want everyone to mock this silly billy.

 

[EverTheOptimist]

can't remember what player interview podcast I watched but somebody once said Dion Dublin out ran everybody and was lapping the academy players.

Look at Gareth Barry and Ryan Giggs, nearly 700 PL appearances each and played in the PL until 40 who both started playing in the PL at 17 years old. Giggs and Barry were playing way before the sea change of sports science in Football.

Someone 36 who's famously teetotal hasn't been a first team player for 3 seasons and not started more than 30 games in the last 3 seasons is deemed to be outrageously suspect, when you have the likes of his peers of his generation of Benzema, Lewandowski Dzecko, Zlatan, Modric, Ronaldo, Chiellini, Buffon, averaging 60 STARTS a season with club and country and still playing 35 and over and bossing it, if that is not evidence of the excellence of sport science in the modern age and you dispute that then it's ignorance.

 

[CharliePotato]

Look at Gareth Barry and Ryan Giggs, nearly 700 PL appearances each and played in the PL until 40 who both started playing in the PL at 17 years old. Giggs and Barry were playing way before the sea change of sports science in Football.

Someone 36 who's famously teetotal hasn't been a first team player for 3 seasons and not started more than 30 games in the last 3 seasons is deemed to be outrageously suspect, when you have the likes of his peers of his generation of Benzema, Lewandowski Dzecko, Zlatan, Modric, Ronaldo, Chiellini, Buffon, averaging 60 STARTS a season with club and country and still playing 35 and over and bossing it, if that is not evidence of the excellence of sport science in the modern age and you dispute that then it's ignorance.

Exactly.

It’s a pathetic excuse what we are using and we need to jib it fast, it’s clutching at the last straw.

Just face it they are flying at the minute and we are a shambles.

No ifs or buts about it.

 

[brieverton]

Loathed as I am to defend them, Alcantara was talking about the atmosphere. Salad said "wait until Sunday" - presumably because he hasn't played an Anfield derby with fans yet.

They probably are confident of a win, but who wouldn't be with the state we're in? They'd never say that though. Klopp wouldn't let them, and nor would Lampard if we were in a similar position.

Klopp will have to go through the motions once again of trying to sound genuine when talking about the threat we pose. This is what I hate about these press conferences. I don't think there is even a scintilla of doubt amongst anyone at that club that they will turn us over with something to spare.

 

[duncs pigeon]

Look at Gareth Barry and Ryan Giggs, nearly 700 PL appearances each and played in the PL until 40 who both started playing in the PL at 17 years old. Giggs and Barry were playing way before the sea change of sports science in Football.

Someone 36 who's famously teetotal hasn't been a first team player for 3 seasons and not started more than 30 games in the last 3 seasons is deemed to be outrageously suspect, when you have the likes of his peers of his generation of Benzema, Lewandowski Dzecko, Zlatan, Modric, Ronaldo, Chiellini, Buffon, averaging 60 STARTS a season with club and country and still playing 35 and over and bossing it, if that is not evidence of the excellence of sport science in the modern age and you dispute that then it's ignorance.

All the above players you mentioned were mostly at different clubs, while your beloved rs have 10 players who run about like lunatics, week in week out, without any fatique or injuries, work that one out.

 

[TGW89]

It's the 2020's now and careers are being extended and it's been happening for about 5-6 years where the optimum age of the prime playing years has gone up to mid 30's now.

The game has changed Mate and you still cannot see the new evolution of the game with your own eyes, the game is quicker, stamina is better, coaching is better, nutrition is better and data is better.

So by that logic we've got another 10 years of Mane, Salah, Diaz and Jota playing 50+ games a season, never misplacing a pass, always knowing exactly where the ball is going next like they have a crystal ball in lieu of a brain, reacting to every single ball within a microsecond on every play, and running like the wind in the 92nd minute.

If forty-year old Mane is doing that, ten years from now, then something has to be looked into. That said, maybe he - or someone else - will duck out before suspicions are raised beyond all fashionable ignorance. Like the way Major Charles and Lady Macbeth should have quit at 125 grand instead of going for the mil.