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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3


I think we need to remember that the majority of their proper fans (i.e. ones who actually support the team because of a genuine connection and not just because they like watching them on telly) are against this whole thing

Not spoken to one proper supporter who supports it
THIS
I know plenty of reds and I've made a point of checking to see how each was reacting on their individual social media platforms. Every single one of the match going reds that I know is absolutely gutted at the thought of this going ahead and are fuming with the way the club is acting.
I genuinely feel sorry for them.
It's worth remembering that this isn't a tribal fan based feud. This is a fight between the owners of these six clubs versus EVERY genuine football fan.
 
THIS
I know plenty of reds and I've made a point of checking to see how each was reacting on their individual social media platforms. Every single one of the match going reds that I know is absolutely gutted at the thought of this going ahead and are fuming with the way the club is acting.
I genuinely feel sorry for them.
It's worth remembering that this isn't a tribal fan based feud. This is a fight between the owners of these six clubs versus EVERY genuine football fan.

A couple I know are dejected. Feel like they've lost their club. Feel sorry for them really. The knobheads who follow them via the internet now, don't care about those fans either.
 
I think we need to remember that the majority of their proper fans (i.e. ones who actually support the team because of a genuine connection and not just because they like watching them on telly) are against this whole thing

Not spoken to one proper supporter who supports it
They are for sure which is why this must be awful. I could support a club that went for this, I really couldn’t.
 

They are the club in the 12 who make the least sense. They've joined all those clubs who wanted them punished over FFP.

I can definitely see them leaving the group, although I'm not convinced City are big enough to stop this from going ahead. Only teams who are big enough to stop in in their tracks by themselves are, United, Big red, Barca & Real.
Actually think Bayern are and have done their bit by not joining. Not having them onside is going to make this difficult to get off the ground.
 
I think we need to remember that the majority of their proper fans (i.e. ones who actually support the team because of a genuine connection and not just because they like watching them on telly) are against this whole thing

Not spoken to one proper supporter who supports it

They were happy when these same owners were throwing around world record fees for players in multiple positions with money they didn’t have to let them win stuff. How they loved to rub it in all our faces. Now that the chicken has come home to roost they don’t want anything to do with it. They knew exactly what type of owners they had on their hands and at every turn they’ve still defended them as long as they kept success coming in. They’ve never once complained at how they’ve warped the competitiveness of this league as long as they were winning stuff. They always cared more about their media image than anything FSG did. Barely a protest against their own fans being run out their homes as long as it ended up with them having a big stand and winning more games. They were more bothered about the media criticism of their club when they furloughed their staff than they were about the staff who got furloughed. They laugh at our community activity whilst not giving two hoots that with their far superior resources they do nothing.

I’m sorry I haven’t got any sympathy for them whatsoever. As a club and a fan base they’ve been a stain on the league for a long time and even though we all know sound Liveprool fans individually, as a collective they are one of the most abhorrent fanbases in world football, massively overentitled impatient arrogant narcissists who turn violent when it doesn’t go their way. If that is just a vocal minority then the rest haven’t done anything to keep that minority in check and so must accept some of the blame for that. The type of behaviour they exhibit would be shamed out of fans at a lot of other clubs or by the club itself. Instead they stand by as these atrocities are carried out.

It’s not a shock to me that Liverpool are owned by those greedy charlatans and we’re not. That’s not a quirk of fate. They have the owners they deserve and deep down the owners they want and reflect the fan base. Owners who will do whatever it takes to win for their own benefit at the expense of everyone else. Isn’t that what Liverpool fans have applauded for decades? The diving, the cheating, the Suarez racism, the bus smashing, rocking Alan Smith’s ambulance, they laughed it all off as long as they were winning.

Everton and Liverpool fans are not the same. I don’t know why there’s this great myth that we’re all the same just in a different colour shirt. Yeah I’m mates with loads of Liverpool fans, I’m related to loads, I like all of them as people, but I’ve never thought we see football the same way for a single second, we fundamentally don’t. The things I value as an Everton fan, that I want to see from my team, the image the club puts out, what makes me proud to be an Evertonian, they don’t recognise any of that. The things they love about being Liverpool fans I find repulsive. It’s just a different opinion but we are not all the same. It’s like saying that Labour and Conservative voters are all at the root of it fundamentally the same people if they live in the same area. They’re not, they value different things, they want to live their lives in different ways, people are all different and that’s why they choose different football teams, that’s why some families have kids who are raised the same way but support different teams. It’s not always because the grandad took one to a different match, most of the time it’s because there was one kid who enjoyed winning and feeling popular all the time and there was another one who liked being a struggling underdog. If it made them feel a bit more virtuous.

So I’m sorry if some of their fans don’t like it. There’ll be a small minority of local matchgoing fans who will be worried they might lose the routine of going to the match and for them I do feel sorry, but the majority of them are really only agaisnt this because of the media backlash and they feel their clubs precious image is now under pressure. If it goes ahead and suddenly gains more prestige than the CL not a single one of them will be maintaining their faux opposition they’ll all be straight back to hoping they win it so they can mock rival fans with it.
 
....i think they are defined as ‘legacy fans’, or perhaps more accurately ‘disposable fans’.
They've been disposable for years. Limiting season ticket numbers, putting up prices, selling packages through Thomas Cook. All designed to stop local fans going to support their club. My rs supporting mate has been going to watch Southport for a few years now.
 
They were happy when these same owners were throwing around world record fees for players in multiple positions with money they didn’t have to let them win stuff. How they loved to rub it in all our faces. Now that the chicken has come home to roost they don’t want anything to do with it. They knew exactly what type of owners they had on their hands and at every turn they’ve still defended them as long as they kept success coming in. They’ve never once complained at how they’ve warped the competitiveness of this league as long as they were winning stuff. They always cared more about their media image than anything FSG did. Barely a protest against their own fans being run out their homes as long as it ended up with them having a big stand and winning more games. They were more bothered about the media criticism of their club when they furloughed their staff than they were about the staff who got furloughed. They laugh at our community activity whilst not giving two hoots that with their far superior resources they do nothing.

I’m sorry I haven’t got any sympathy for them whatsoever. As a club and a fan base they’ve been a stain on the league for a long time and even though we all know sound Liveprool fans individually, as a collective they are one of the most abhorrent fanbases in world football, massively overentitled impatient arrogant narcissists who turn violent when it doesn’t go their way. If that is just a vocal minority then the rest haven’t done anything to keep that minority in check and so must accept some of the blame for that. The type of behaviour they exhibit would be shamed out of fans at a lot of other clubs or by the club itself. Instead they stand by as these atrocities are carried out.

It’s not a shock to me that Liverpool are owned by those greedy charlatans and we’re not. That’s not a quirk of fate. They have the owners they deserve and deep down the owners they want and reflect the fan base. Owners who will do whatever it takes to win for their own benefit at the expense of everyone else. Isn’t that what Liverpool fans have applauded for decades? The diving, the cheating, the Suarez racism, the bus smashing, rocking Alan Smith’s ambulance, they laughed it all off as long as they were winning.

Everton and Liverpool fans are not the same. I don’t know why there’s this great myth that we’re all the same just in a different colour shirt. Yeah I’m mates with loads of Liverpool fans, I’m related to loads, I like all of them as people, but I’ve never thought we see football the same way for a single second, we fundamentally don’t. The things I value as an Everton fan, that I want to see from my team, the image the club puts out, what makes me proud to be an Evertonian, they don’t recognise any of that. The things they love about being Liverpool fans I find repulsive. It’s just a different opinion but we are not all the same. It’s like saying that Labour and Conservative voters are all at the root of it fundamentally the same people if they live in the same area. They’re not, they value different things, they want to live their lives in different ways, people are all different and that’s why they choose different football teams, that’s why some families have kids who are raised the same way but support different teams. It’s not always because the grandad took one to a different match, most of the time it’s because there was one kid who enjoyed winning and feeling popular all the time and there was another one who liked being a struggling underdog. If it made them feel a bit more virtuous.

So I’m sorry if some of their fans don’t like it. There’ll be a small minority of local matchgoing fans who will be worried they might lose the routine of going to the match and for them I do feel sorry, but the majority of them are really only agaisnt this because of the media backlash and they feel their clubs precious image is now under pressure. If it goes ahead and suddenly gains more prestige than the CL not a single one of them will be maintaining their faux opposition they’ll all be straight back to hoping they win it so they can mock rival fans with it.
Excellent piece, not further to add.
 



Klopp has completely failed to show a lead over this issue. Bleating about how he doesn't get involved in decisions and for people to stop attacking their players.

Man of straw.

The Kopites are pathetic trying to spin his piss poor words.

I agree. One of my kopite mates said this morning that he was pleased Klopp spoke out, to a certain degree yeshe did but the focus of his rage was Gary Neville. Klopp takes RS critisicm personally. The owners he said are decent people, but they're not. Neville didnt reveal a lot of the bad stuff he could have about them like the evictions and the smashing up of coaches etc, he could have said a lot more. Youll never walk alone is a soundbite and has been for decades. Carragher on the otherhand saying that Liverpool fans revere their managers unlike any other supporter was just typical. KAGS.
 
The more I think about this, the more I wonder is this City's revenge. Walk the other 5 off a cliff before they pull out their parachute and say "so-long suckers"
I hope so, but I can't see it to be honest.
I and all other City fans just cannot get our heads around why we have done it?
UEFA waged war with City on FFP for over five years. They just didn't want to defeat City,
they wanted to completely destroy them. Fine them millions of pounds. Ban them for years. Force the
top players to leave etc and they were directly led & encouraged by the owners of Liverpool & United.
City spent over £50m in legal fees to fend them off. And now we jump into bed with them!
It just doesn't make any sense at all. Why not just let them go and at a stroke become the good guys
of football? Undo all of the negativity toward the club by the media, press and football fans in general?
Even if City do bail out, it's way to late for any redemption. The damage is well and truly done.
We have talked about football killing itself for years but on Sunday for those six clubs, teams and fans it died.
If we win the league now, then so what? The Champions League - so what? Carabao Cup - who really gives
a toss about that that anyway? It's over. City had a truly golden opportunity to become the new poster boys
of professional football. Instead they chose the money. Unforgivable.
 

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