ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

[The Legend of Southall]

Am I the only one wondering why it's Henderson instead of Rashford?

Yes Rashford hasn't won anything, but he's certainly proven himself in the personality department.

Or am I misunderstanding the Sports Personality of the Year?

 

[number4.]

Am I the only one wondering why it's Henderson instead of Rashford?

Yes Rashford hasn't won anything, but he's certainly proven himself in the personality department.

Or am I misunderstanding the Sports Personality of the Year?

I think the BBC wanted to make sure they didnt end up in that situation & as such they have created a new award which will be given to Rashford. "Sports person making a difference" or something like that.

 

[The Legend of Southall]

I think the BBC wanted to make sure they didnt end up in that situation & as such they have created a new award which will be given to Rashford. "Sports person making a difference" or something like that.

I honestly don't understand the harm in putting Rashford on the sort list. He's still in a high profile position within sport, regardless of what he's won.

 

[number4.]

I honestly don't understand the harm in putting Rashford on the sort list. He's still in a high profile position within sport, regardless of what he's won.

I suppose the risk is he doesn't win & they miss the chance to celebrate it on SPOTY, which would be a shame given the incredible work he has done. Likewise, if it is an award based on Sporting merit, it would be a shame for Hamilton, hollie doyle etc. if they missed out on award due to a social justice campaign.

 

[The Legend of Southall]

I suppose the risk is he doesn't win & they miss the chance to celebrate it on SPOTY, which would be a shame given the incredible work he has done. Likewise, if it is an award based on Sporting merit, it would be a shame for Hamilton, hollie doyle etc. if they missed out on award due to a social justice campaign.

I can see your point.

I think we should leave it there. This thread has been derailed enough recently.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Am I the only one wondering why it's Henderson instead of Rashford?

Yes Rashford hasn't won anything, but he's certainly proven himself in the personality department.

Or am I misunderstanding the Sports Personality of the Year?

I suppose the risk is he doesn't win & they miss the chance to celebrate it on SPOTY, which would be a shame given the incredible work he has done. Likewise, if it is an award based on Sporting merit, it would be a shame for Hamilton, hollie doyle etc. if they missed out on award due to a social justice campaign.

It is a strange award. It usually does focus on someone who has won something, so they should probably rename it something like 'Sporting achievement of the year'.

The title indicates someone in the sporting world whose character and actions are notable. Which Rashford definitely ticks. But so would Mickley Quinn or Gazza. Maybe not for the best reasons lol.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

I can see your point.

I think we should leave it there. This thread has been derailed enough recently.

I think we're safe until someone mentions the war.

Back on topic, still laughing at this.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I suppose the risk is he doesn't win & they miss the chance to celebrate it on SPOTY, which would be a shame given the incredible work he has done. Likewise, if it is an award based on Sporting merit, it would be a shame for Hamilton, hollie doyle etc. if they missed out on award due to a social justice campaign.

If it’s on sporting merit it will be Hamilton, if it’s on personality it will be Rashford for his work. Therefore it will be Henderson due to the threat of thousands of angry kopites trolling BBC media if he doesn’t win it.

 

[number4.]

If it’s on sporting merit it will be Hamilton, if it’s on personality it will be Rashford for his work. Therefore it will be Henderson due to the threat of thousands of angry kopites trolling BBC media if he doesn’t win it.

It's subjective though - many would argue F1 isn't what it used to be and Hamilton simply steers the best engineering around a track.

 

[catcherintherye]

I think the BBC wanted to make sure they didnt end up in that situation & as such they have created a new award which will be given to Rashford. "Sports person making a difference" or something like that.

I do find this very odd. It seems like any excuse not to have the standout black footballer on the list, over the white footballers who has very little in general by comparison.

I actually quite like Jordan Henderson. He seems like a nice bloke and I thoughed he owned up to his own racism/racist mistake very well with the Luis Suarez debacle. But he hasn't done anything like what Rashford has done for people.

Creating a new award is just the worst type of fudge agreement. It's not the traditional historical prize, but it's this new prize with no history. It's a pat on the head.

In the year of Black Lives Matter, it's pretty scandolous they've nominated an average white man, over an outstanding black one. If ever you want to grasp structural racism it's in that decision.

 

[roydo]

In the year of Black Lives Matter, it's pretty scandolous they've nominated an average white man, over an outstanding black one. If ever you want to grasp structural racism it's in that decision.

Nah. Its a sporting award. You can argue the toss if Henderson is deserving of a nomination based on that, arsed either way me, but Rashford has achieved little of note on a football pitch this year.

And he was honoured in the Queens birthday honours, for his commendable work away from a football pitch.

 

[4737carlin]

I do find this very odd. It seems like any excuse not to have the standout black footballer on the list, over the white footballers who has very little in general by comparison.

I actually quite like Jordan Henderson. He seems like a nice bloke and I thoughed he owned up to his own racism/racist mistake very well with the Luis Suarez debacle. But he hasn't done anything like what Rashford has done for people.

Creating a new award is just the worst type of fudge agreement. It's not the traditional historical prize, but it's this new prize with no history. It's a pat on the head.

In the year of Black Lives Matter, it's pretty scandolous they've nominated an average white man, over an outstanding black one. If ever you want to grasp structural racism it's in that decision.

But wouldnt that be identity by skin colour? If they choose Rashford because he is back and not Henderson because he is white that would be racist

 

[catcherintherye]

Nah. Its a sporting award. You can argue the toss if Henderson is deserving of a nomination based on that, arsed either way me, but Rashford has achieved little of note on a football pitch this year.

And he was honoured in the Queens birthday honours, for his commendable work away from a football pitch.

It's not really a sporting award though is it, as it's about personality as much as anything.

I mean even if it was a Sporting Award, I'm struggling to see how Henderson merits it.

 

[catcherintherye]

But wouldnt that be identity by skin colour? If they choose Rashford because he is back and not Henderson because he is white that would be racist

I think it would be because he has been a very good role model for his community. You can't really say the same about Henderson. He is nowhere near as high profile for the work he's done.

I also think AA is a perfectly reasonable approach to have in situations like this.

 

[number4.]

But he hasn't done anything like what Rashford has done for people.

I think you have answered your own question here Catcher - BBC have created the special merit award, to ensure that SPOTY remains a sporting achievement award.

Skip 12 months down the line & Jordan Pickford remains his clumsy self, but managed to rescue 10 kids from a burning building, he should be winning the Marcus Rashford award not SPOTY.