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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3


Clattenberg was 2007,when the fallout with Moyes happened,Atkinson sent off Rodwell in 2011,the point being made is that Atkinson sent off Rodwell,not whether he reffed another derby game

Read posts properly. The point that was made (incorrectly) was that Atkinson did not ref one of our games for years after the Rodwell sending off. Read Mimimeister's post #28,883. In fact, here it is in its entirety: '...
Let's not forget, Martin Atkinson refereed the next Anfield derby even after that Rodwell decision.
Clattenburg never refereed another Everton match for years, but nothing suspicious about that...'

No one is disputing that Atkinson sent off Rodwell, nor that Carragher throttled an Everton player in the box in the last minute of the Clattenberg Derby. That is perfectly clear to anyone who watched those games.

Jeez...
 
Read posts properly. The point that was made (incorrectly) was that Atkinson did not ref one of our games for years after the Rodwell sending off. Read Mimimeister's post #28,883. In fact, here it is in its entirety: '...
Let's not forget, Martin Atkinson refereed the next Anfield derby even after that Rodwell decision.
Clattenburg never refereed another Everton match for years, but nothing suspicious about that...'

No one is disputing that Atkinson sent off Rodwell, nor that Carragher throttled an Everton player in the box in the last minute of the Clattenberg Derby. That is perfectly clear to anyone who watched those games.

Jeez...

er - what Minimeister was saying there is that Clattenberg didn't ref one of our games, not that Atkinson didn't
 
Would be good if Leicester actually showed up against these and played to anything like their normal level, might finally be in with a chance of dropping points at Anfield.

We all know what's going to happen...
Vardy will fall down in the box and immediately get booked.
Mane will do the same 2 minutes later in their box and it will be an
immediate penalty for Liverpool and a booking for the Leicester defender.
The script is written and woe betide any official who does not follow it.
 

er - what Minimeister was saying there is that Clattenberg didn't ref one of our games, not that Atkinson didn't

The original contention, if you care to read back far enough, was that Atkinson did not ref any of our games for years after the Rodwell sending off.

Minimiester corrected that.

Let's set out what actually happened, and let's hope people actually understand it.

1. The Clattenberg Derby. Several incidents in that game that we lost 2-1. Moyes was so vociferous about the standard of refereeing after the game that he was charged by the FA for bringing the game into disrepute.

2. The charge against Moyes dragged on for months, since Moyes challenged the charge. Eventually, the FA took no further action.

3. Clattenberg did not ref any of our games for years, although the football authorities were silent about the matter.
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4. Atkinson sent off Rodwell as a result of Suarez faking a foul against him.

5. Atkinson continued to ref our games in the normal timeframe of refs officiating the same team on what might be termed a rotational basis in a season.

Now, if anyone cannot follow the above, I feel sorry for them...
 
I think it's actually worse than Ferguson. Ferguson used his 'influence' to make sure certain officials were not picked. But to actually get the chosen & named official removed and replaced a few days before a big game due to one decision they didn't like in a previous game as you say is very worrying indeed. The upshot being that any official on VAR duties in a Liverpool game will now be scared to death to give any decision against them either way. The bias towards Liverpool really has gone beyond a joke now.
If Everton had the balls to act like that 20 years ago we would have had at least a couple of trophies, no officials are remotely scared of us and we have had a lot more to complain about, I still cant think of a deliberate blatant decision that's gone against them to lose a game .
 
I think it's actually worse than Ferguson. Ferguson used his 'influence' to make sure certain officials were not picked. But to actually get the chosen & named official removed and replaced a few days before a big game due to one decision they didn't like in a previous game as you say is very worrying indeed. The upshot being that any official on VAR duties in a Liverpool game will now be scared to death to give any decision against them either way. The bias towards Liverpool really has gone beyond a joke now.
Did manure not get a few bad decisions after one SAF rant ?
 
Catcher I’ve called you out about this before . Are you pretending to be an intellectual or being ironic. At various stages you’ve claimed to be a teacher and then in business. For years I went along with what you said and then in recent months you seem to be on the wind up. What is it?

I'm not sure the said comment was either being an intellectual or being ironic, just saying they were good spots from the poster in question.

You can obviously believe what you like but it would be very odd to be on a windup about being a teacher wouldn't it?

I'm also a bit lost as to me thanking someone for correcting "ah la" to the French prononciation means I couldn't have been a teacher.

As for an intellectual or being on a windup, it's not really a binary choice, but if you were going to discount one, it would definitely be that I'm an intellectual. I don't think anyone outside of weird RAWK types thinks that, least of all me!
 

I think @catcherintherye probably has to look at those who had a go at him before and work out who it is. I suspect it's not the first rodeo for this critical cowboy.

Could be anyone really mate. Could even be an Evertonian for all I know. I have literally no idea who this fella is though. I seem to attract a section of Mark Chapman style admirers who in their head have been disproving the idea I am some sort of intellectual, an idea that only really exists in their little bubble. So it's hard to really make sense of it.

I'm sure it makes sense in his head, he may well have planned this intervention for weeks. If it makes him happy, and he can scuttle off thinking he's won an ongoing (and wholly one sided) argument then something positive will have come of it!

The only guy I can think of, is the fella who tried to make out the peasantry voted for the Nazi's who kept sending me creepy DM's aftewards. Christ knows. Weird people.
 
Apologies if this has been


it happened to Man United for 15 years under Ferguson. Underpins the influence that certain clubs / managers are still having over the FA. Worrying

As people know on here, I am not someone who is just anti-Liverpool at any cost, I look at the evidence and call it as I see it. In this instance, while it's wrong for a Klopp to leverage influence on officials (if it has happened) I have to say I found it very odd they had him in charge.

While I don't think he made any mistakes (against Liverpool) in the derby. The 2 goals were offside and exceptional decisions, and the VVD incident was essentially called right as PIckford got off on a technicality there is a lot of frustration there from them, which I can understand. I also think, he was more fortunate than inspired with the Pickford incident. If I am wrong on that, I will certainly hold my hands up to him, but I think he got a bit lucky, he made a big call and was just fortunate the laws were behind him.

Anyway I can't see much sense in sticking him back in the box again. Whatever he does, he can't win. If he makes a call against Liverpool he gets slaughtered, if he makes one in favour of Liverpool he gets slaughtered. He just needs to be kept off Liverpool games for a bit,
 
As people know on here, I am not someone who is just anti-Liverpool at any cost, I look at the evidence and call it as I see it. In this instance, while it's wrong for a Klopp to leverage influence on officials (if it has happened) I have to say I found it very odd they had him in charge.

While I don't think he made any mistakes (against Liverpool) in the derby. The 2 goals were offside and exceptional decisions, and the VVD incident was essentially called right as PIckford got off on a technicality there is a lot of frustration there from them, which I can understand. I also think, he was more fortunate than inspired with the Pickford incident. If I am wrong on that, I will certainly hold my hands up to him, but I think he got a bit lucky, he made a big call and was just fortunate the laws were behind him.

Anyway I can't see much sense in sticking him back in the box again. Whatever he does, he can't win. If he makes a call against Liverpool he gets slaughtered, if he makes one in favour of Liverpool he gets slaughtered. He just needs to be kept off Liverpool games for a bit,

Agree with a lot of it - I suppose the big issue is that he was put in the box. You're right it was a lose lose for PL / Coote.
 
Agree with a lot of it - I suppose the big issue is that he was put in the box. You're right it was a lose lose for PL / Coote.

It's a difficult one isn't it. Here's a thought though, if I'm Liverpool I am quite happy to have him in the box. There's enormous pressure on him to "even" a decision out. I'm not sure I'd have got him out as easily as they may have done.
 

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