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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3


To be honest, Fabinho is a disaster waiting to happen so if that means putting Gomez and Matip in the firing line when they are injury prone, then they could be into converting a central midfielder into that position. Their season could well have fallen apart before Christmas.

Lose one of the top 3 for a game or two which is to be expected, and they'll be off the pace. Sweepstakes on when Klopp loses it and has a good rage through the media?
 
number4. said:
I suspect we share very very similar views on Rio alright and how a professional athlete, or a whole team in the case of man city/Barca, can simply forget about their doping responsibilities are absolutely beyond me.

I think we are on the same page with TEUs, just coming from a different angle, for me they are needed & the examples of bowel issues, migraine or actual asthma should not be a barrier to anyone playing football, but I think there is huge room for improvement to stop the systematic abuse of TUE's that is going on. This could include more declaration, narrowing of this list and stricter time limits.

It is utter madness that a team has 22 asthmatics as reported or that a very well known UK cyclist suffered from the very same hayfever issues the weekend before the tour de france all with a view to abusing TUEs & that's before you get into the likes of Sharapova, which is frankly ridiculous that this kind of systematic doping can be excused through exemptions.

My conclusion is they are needed, but need to be way way more tight & transparent, to try to stop the pure abuse which is riff through Tennis, Cycling, athletics and probably football.
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As I said there is always an exception that proves the rule, but for tmhe msot part, where professional athletes want to use TUE's in most cases I am very sceptical as to why. I think you're phrase "systematic doping being excused through exemptions" (in the case of TUE's) is a pretty apt one.
 
Yarrgh said:
To be honest, Fabinho is a disaster waiting to happen so if that means putting Gomez and Matip in the firing line when they are injury prone, then they could be into converting a central midfielder into that position. Their season could well have fallen apart before Christmas.

Lose one of the top 3 for a game or two which is to be expected, and they'll be off the pace. Sweepstakes on when Klopp loses it and has a good rage through the media?
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If it's a hamstring and he couldn't continue it's a problem. He is very tall too,mwhich tends to exacerbate hamstrings. The intensity they play at will cuse more injuries. Matip will not be able to do 2 games per week.

I really hope they get what they deserve, for the lack of care for the players they have and get ravaged with injuries. It would very much be the chickens coming home to roost.
 

Saint Domingo said:
People keep laughing at the suggestion, but I genuinely believe Spurs will be their biggest challengers. They’ve chucked some points away yes but they’re still in touch, they have more forward and midfield options than most of the teams in the league, they have a class keeper and a world class manager who has done it before. They also have the europa where they can rotate the team for most games until the latter stages which you can’t do in the CL.

Unless Pep pulls a miracle out I can’t see City challenging when they have no fit striker, their whole team falls apart when De Bruyne is out, and they only have two decent CBs.
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I said last year, when they were starting well (and actually tipped them to the title for the 1st time I can remember) that they were on a sinilar trajectory to City but a year behind. They may still win the league this season (last seasons City probably win the league this season if that makes sense, 81 could be enough points) but City seem to have underlying problems to me.

I'm not convinced either Klopp or Pep are particularly adept at managing when things don't go perfectly. I think City need a bit of a rebuild and I'm not sure Pep really fancies it. I see they are linked with Nagelsman, who could be perfect edium term and would start to really utilise the quality they have in their younger players and bring them through. They don't whisper names like that though, if they feel a rebuild isn't needed.

Spurs seem a good shout to me. I woud agree they are the nearest challengers. I don't like them much at centre back which is my only concern. Mourinho seems to be revelling in being the underdog though. They battered Liverpool last season and defeated City as well.

The big disappointment is Chelsea. They should be right in this title race, but under Lampard they look a long way off. He's still my left field shout for 1st to be sacked. Nagelman could be a really good pick for them too.
 
Yarrgh said:
To be honest, Fabinho is a disaster waiting to happen so if that means putting Gomez and Matip in the firing line when they are injury prone, then they could be into converting a central midfielder into that position. Their season could well have fallen apart before Christmas.

Lose one of the top 3 for a game or two which is to be expected, and they'll be off the pace. Sweepstakes on when Klopp loses it and has a good rage through the media?
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Even before the Fabinho injury, their best midfield is him sitting with Henderson and probably Thiago pressing forward. Moving him into defence means that Henderson has to sit deep and their press isn’t nearly as good as Wijnaldum and Keita only seem to like putting effort in in the big games.

Now that Fabinho is injured it will be interesting to see if they move another midfielder back in there. What would really screw them up would be an injury to Trent as they have no cover.
 
Saint Domingo said:
Even before the Fabinho injury, their best midfield is him sitting with Henderson and probably Thiago pressing forward. Moving him into defence means that Henderson has to sit deep and their press isn’t nearly as good as Wijnaldum and Keita only seem to like putting effort in in the big games.

Now that Fabinho is injured it will be interesting to see if they move another midfielder back in there. What would really screw them up would be an injury to Trent as they have no cover.
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The right back Williams looks quite handy. For me it's Salah or Mane getting injured that does them in. Gomez isn't that good and neither are their back up CB's.
 

Saint Domingo said:
Even before the Fabinho injury, their best midfield is him sitting with Henderson and probably Thiago pressing forward. Moving him into defence means that Henderson has to sit deep and their press isn’t nearly as good as Wijnaldum and Keita only seem to like putting effort in in the big games.

Now that Fabinho is injured it will be interesting to see if they move another midfielder back in there. What would really screw them up would be an injury to Trent as they have no cover.
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Similar to city last year, the injuries to laporte & Van Dijk are a massive problem because they pulled Fernandinho and Fabinho out of position to cover, that was city's bigger problem than losing laporte last season.

Liverpool desperately need Matip and Gomez to settle down as a two, but that just seems unlikely, Matip appears to be broken, I dont think he has ever had a sustained run of games with out picking up something.

The welsh right back williams looks decent cover for trent,
 
They are screaming for Linekers head on rawk for piping up in defence of Digne. Saying the media swayed the decision and it’s corrupt.

They have a neck like a jockies bolox. having a go at the media. (A comment from one pundit). They have absolutely no self awareness. One of our players has body guards over them and the media. And they are having a joke about that aswell.

It’s a cliche but ashamed of nothing offended by everything is a strict code they live by.

Also we must be doing something right I can’t imagine last season they would be up in arms over one of our full backs only getting a game ban instead of 3. They probably wouldn’t even know about it last season.
 
Death said:
They are screaming for Linekers head on rawk for piping up in defence of Digne. Saying the media swayed the decision and it’s corrupt.

They have a neck like a jockies bolox. having a go at the media. (A comment from one pundit). They have absolutely no self awareness. One of our players has body guards over them and the media. And they are having a joke about that aswell.

It’s a cliche but ashamed of nothing offended by everything is a strict code they live by.

Also we must be doing something right I can’t imagine last season they would be up in arms over one of our full backs only getting a game ban instead of 3. They probably wouldn’t even know about it last season.
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Most of them hate Lineker because he's a decent bloke and quite progressive, so for your average tory gammon frothing about Brexit he drives them to incandescent rage. It's a glorious site, and you know the rise in blood pressure and subsequent collesterol will drive a few of them to an early death as well. When you're fat, useless and talentless as most of them are, it's best not to get so irate about people basically just doing the right things.
 

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