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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3


davek said:
No one can tell me that City fell off a cliff like that.

The untouchable PL champions for the last 4 seasons are now 23 points behind a bang average Liverpool team who even their own supporters recognise as being inferior to their teams of the past 5 years or so.

No, there's a decision made that they cycle down and/or punish the PL for going for them.

They've offered no resistance almost since the beginning of the season.
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It's a staggering fall from grace from a team that's practically been untouchable over the last five years.
Are there mitigating factors..yes, they have this massive decision over PSR looming, a huge points deduction/ maybe, doubtfully even a relegation looming, that must play on Managers/ players mindset. Ageing squad, they have sold younger players, Alcarez and the ones brought in not as good, their better players De Bruyne, Silva, Gundogan, Walker now sold are showing big signs of creaking, legs going. Injuries, Rodri, Stones etc have missed large chunks of the Season, even the Manager has shown stress and inability to tackle the problems they've had this season. But without a doubt City have been a shadow of the team that have dominated English football over a sustained period. Arsenal have dropped off alarmingly as well, injuries to key players mainly strikers, Chelsea eternally rebuilding. Then the tranche of teams that can and do take points off the best clubs, Spurs, massive injuries, Villa European football, took their eye off the ball, Man United just crap. It's left a Liverpool title procession, loved by the media, backed by var and" kind " refereeing decisions, relatively uninjured each week, a long ball game that suits their prolific goalscorers, I swear this Liverpool side are one of the worst actual Liverpool football teams they've ever had, they play direct football most of the time but have a forward in Salah who is world class, never gets injured and can play every game at full pace, who happens to be an incredible goalscorer. And it seems if incredibly he doesn't score of get a penalty, others chip in right on cue, Jota, Diaz, Gapko even Nunez, they have assembled a very expensive team that has goals throughout that very rarely get injuries and it has left them with the other challengers falling off a cliff with the simplest, most boring procession to the league title for years. Sorry for the long boring post, but I was bored too.
 
Saint Domingo said:
He gets outed in almost every big game. Real Madrid target him for fun every time they play. He’s not even the best CB at Liverpool, Matip used to bail him out all the time and Konate does now. Once again when you look at the PSG goal Konate is the one having to make a last lunge for the ball. Van Dijk is miles away doing his weird bending over pose while the watches it. He’s never near the danger, always pointing fingers from afar .

Nowhere near the top for me, after Alexander Arnold the most overrated player in the prem for a long time. A very good centre back yes but not even in the conversation for best in PL and will barely register on the international history books.

There’s CBs out there who have captained World Cup winning teams. Euros winners, multiple CL winners. Then there’s Van Dijk with his hasn’t been dribbled past invented stat and one CL win v Spurs. Nowhere..near.
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Alexander Arnold is their biggest weakness, shame he is going really. The amount of goals he has cost that team is mad when compared to the handful of 'world class' (their words) passes or goals from outside the box. Their blindness to him is unbelievable, I remember pointing out to them his positioning in that Paris final for Vinicuis Jr goal and his 'marking' DCL in the 2-0 derby and they look at me like I've got two heads , one actually said ''who cares about defending at corners'. Saying that... dunno what Carlo is thinking signing him for Madrid? unless its the president or whoevers decision.
 
mahermi1 said:
It's a staggering fall from grace from a team that's practically been untouchable over the last five years.
Are there mitigating factors..yes, they have this massive decision over PSR looming, a huge points deduction/ maybe, doubtfully even a relegation looming, that must play on Managers/ players mindset. Ageing squad, they have sold younger players, Alcarez and the ones brought in not as good, their better players De Bruyne, Silva, Gundogan, Walker now sold are showing big signs of creaking, legs going. Injuries, Rodri, Stones etc have missed large chunks of the Season, even the Manager has shown stress and inability to tackle the problems they've had this season. But without a doubt City have been a shadow of the team that have dominated English football over a sustained period. Arsenal have dropped off alarmingly as well, injuries to key players mainly strikers, Chelsea eternally rebuilding. Then the tranche of teams that can and do take points off the best clubs, Spurs, massive injuries, Villa European football, took their eye off the ball, Man United just crap. It's left a Liverpool title procession, loved by the media, backed by var and" kind " refereeing decisions, relatively uninjured each week, a long ball game that suits their prolific goalscorers, I swear this Liverpool side are one of the worst actual Liverpool football teams they've ever had, they play direct football most of the time but have a forward in Salah who is world class, never gets injured and can play every game at full pace, who happens to be an incredible goalscorer. And it seems if incredibly he doesn't score of get a penalty, others chip in right on cue, Jota, Diaz, Gapko even Nunez, they have assembled a very expensive team that has goals throughout that very rarely get injuries and it has left them with the other challengers falling off a cliff with the simplest, most boring procession to the league title for years. Sorry for the long boring post, but I was bored too.
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Klopp built a team that was designed to challenge for the CL every year they were in it. This lot aren’t getting close to the big one playing how they are. I said after the derby that any half decent is going to outplay them because there were large parts of that game we controlled and were terrible.
 
mahermi1 said:
It's a staggering fall from grace from a team that's practically been untouchable over the last five years.
Are there mitigating factors..yes, they have this massive decision over PSR looming, a huge points deduction/ maybe, doubtfully even a relegation looming, that must play on Managers/ players mindset. Ageing squad, they have sold younger players, Alcarez and the ones brought in not as good, their better players De Bruyne, Silva, Gundogan, Walker now sold are showing big signs of creaking, legs going. Injuries, Rodri, Stones etc have missed large chunks of the Season, even the Manager has shown stress and inability to tackle the problems they've had this season. But without a doubt City have been a shadow of the team that have dominated English football over a sustained period. Arsenal have dropped off alarmingly as well, injuries to key players mainly strikers, Chelsea eternally rebuilding. Then the tranche of teams that can and do take points off the best clubs, Spurs, massive injuries, Villa European football, took their eye off the ball, Man United just crap. It's left a Liverpool title procession, loved by the media, backed by var and" kind " refereeing decisions, relatively uninjured each week, a long ball game that suits their prolific goalscorers, I swear this Liverpool side are one of the worst actual Liverpool football teams they've ever had, they play direct football most of the time but have a forward in Salah who is world class, never gets injured and can play every game at full pace, who happens to be an incredible goalscorer. And it seems if incredibly he doesn't score of get a penalty, others chip in right on cue, Jota, Diaz, Gapko even Nunez, they have assembled a very expensive team that has goals throughout that very rarely get injuries and it has left them with the other challengers falling off a cliff with the simplest, most boring procession to the league title for years. Sorry for the long boring post, but I was bored too.
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It's a brilliant post mate. Frames Liverpool's 'success' this year perfectly.

On City: I think they're more psychologically fried than physically incapable of competing. It's left them at a point where they've collectively decided that a bad season may as well turn into crisis.
 

davek said:
It's a brilliant post mate. Frames Liverpool's 'success' this year perfectly.

On City: I think they're more psychologically fried than physically incapable of competing. It's left them at a point where they've collectively decided that a bad season may as well turn into crisis.
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My hunch on City is that they are on an off cycle - expect them to be up and running next season. If they suddenly pick up by the end of this season, then they'll be replicating what happened before the rs asterisked the league.
 

Yarrgh said:
My hunch on City is that they are on an off cycle - expect them to be up and running next season. If they suddenly pick up by the end of this season, then they'll be replicating what happened before the rs asterisked the league.
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I'm not sure how quick City bounce back, but when you have owners like theirs it's merely a matter of time.

Maybe Pep has to go first for that to happen.
 

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