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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3


gwladysnight said:
This forum is like a MAGA convention, anything that attacks our local rivals is lapped up without the merest of scrutiny. Someone posts facts and figures or links to articles or even the findings from the French investigation into the events of Paris and it is all some RS conspiracy. Is that the level we have descended to ?

Please provide some evidence for the Liverpool end being full and thousands being locked outside.

As for fake tickets the French Police went from 30,000 to 40,000 fake tickets to 2,000 tickets not being recognised as genuine which included genuine tickets taking multiple attempts to be recognised.

The real issue is that PSG fans had exactly the same issues at that end as far backs as 2016. The French authorities had problems at that end weeks before at the French Cup Final. They had problems days later at the game between France and Denmark. The issue was that well known that the message about the late arrival of fans that appeared on-screen was pre-prepared because they knew if there was a delay it would be at that end.

So either there are real problems at that end or there is a RS conspiracy that includes PSG, French national team fans and Denmark fans. Even better, the conspiracy pre-dates the CL final by six years. Well-organised them RS aren't they ?

Or maybe we should grow up, forget the playground stuff and realise that ANY team that had that end would have had problems. Far too many of our fans jumped on the events of Paris with glee and simply won't lose face even if the evidence is insurmountable. UEFA have already apologised to their lot. Let it go for God’s sake.
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you really think that this articles is 'findings' do you? That just goes to show how insightful and forensic your analysis is. I was laughing reading its pathetic attempt to scientifically report on this, with little caveats or assumptions thrown in to allow a coyly written comment that would allow their desired point to be progressed. I CBA reading it again but there was a line alluding to the 'fact' that the fake tickets issue 'hadn't been fully investigated' but it was written it that if it would have been investigated, that it would have benefited the position of the gatecrashers. We all know that the gatecrashing was a cause of what then developed.

Its never your fault.
 
arch stanton said:
you really think that this articles is 'findings' do you? That just goes to show how insightful and forensic your analysis is. I was laughing reading its pathetic attempt to scientifically report on this, with little caveats or assumptions thrown in to allow a coyly written comment that would allow their desired point to be progressed. I CBA reading it again but there was a line alluding to the 'fact' that the fake tickets issue 'hadn't been fully investigated' but it was written it that if it would have been investigated, that it would have benefited the position of the gatecrashers. We all know that the gatecrashing was a cause of what then developed.

Its never your fault.
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It's the Guardian, six journalists worked on the piece.
Aren't we a bit too harsh here? It's not like it's a Chris Bascombe column or something.
 


woodsyni said:
No idea. I haven't listened to a radio commentary for a couple of years. I hope you're right though. His commentaries were genuinely awful.
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I listened to a commentary of Leeds playing someone in 1992, during the Winter Olympics of that year (in those days both Winter and Summer Olympics were held in the same year though at different times).

Torvill and Dean had been beaten into second place in the Ice Dancing final the night before.

Green launched into a tirade about how they were robbed and and that they should have won.

The rant lasted for five minutes as the game carried on around him.

His colour commentator was Trevor Brooking.

When Green paused after five minutes Brooking said “what do you know about Ice Dancing, Alan”?

Green replied “nothing….I just know they should have won”.

And that one comment epitomises the awfulness that was an Alan Green commentary.
 
gwladysnight said:
If any of their lot knowingly bought fake tickets and attempted to use them to gain entry to the Stadium then yes, they most certainly were part of the problem. However my impression is that most of the people who bought fake tickets spent hundreds if not thousands of pounds for them and were scammed.

Then we have the issue of fans travelling without tickets. The thing is the host Cities incur costs to hosts major final events and then look to recoup their costs. The fan park at Cours de Vincennes held 44,000 fans despite Liverpool only receiving just over 19,000 tickets.

I was in London for a conference at the time of the Women's Euro's and there were fan parks everywhere. Those fan parks were populated by fans of all nations. Are you suggesting fans shouldn't be able to watch games in fan parks or local bars ?
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I flew over to Ireland on the Thursday afternoon before the cfampions league final. I was basically surrounded on tfe plane by reds who were flying over then onto Paris later in the day.

Most were normal average fellas in their 30's and 40's all from different groups coz none had paid for a seat so as Ryanair do they split everyone up. There was one proper little gobs*ite there though, about 8stone wet with a snide accent who was trying far too hard.

He was mouthing off how there was 8 of them and they had 3 blag tickets each, none had a genuine ticket, so they would have a few goes each to get in.

All the other fellas joined in then and every single one of them was in a group who only had a cpl of tickets between them.

I know loads of lads who went over with blogs or no tickets. Funnily they've all been very quiet about it since.

I'm not slagging anyone off for doing it. If everton got there and I never had a ticket I'd still travel over myself.

But it's the hypocrisy that burns people's heads out.

The talk before was all about how many they'd be taking, how libpool fans always blag in etc etc etc.

So when the [Poor language removed] hits the fan, own up to it and admit some sort of responsibility.

But no, they've blamed everyone and everything else, zero culpability on their part.

To try and re-write things that nobody went the ground with blag or no tickets is ludicrous.
 

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