ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

[davek]

Did they kill anyone yesterday?

 

[davek]

Can't be a coincidence that 'therapeutic exemptions are allowed and 90% of the Liverpool squad are 'asthmatic'

They're the biggest dopers in European football. Utter 'kin smackheads they are.

 

[BlueStevie35]

Not really no. There’s a whole host of blues on here so apparently unbothered by everything that they respond to every single post criticising Liverpool and generally seem to dislike most things about Everton as well.

Or you know it’s recognising that maybe, just maybe, the Kult actually are that good and well conditioned because they’ve let a manager put his stamp on things rather than the scatter shot Watford like decision making we’ve been doing

 

[Saint Domingo]

Or you know it’s recognising that maybe, just maybe, the Kult actually are that good and well conditioned because they’ve let a manager put his stamp on things rather than the scatter shot Watford like decision making we’ve been doing

I seem to remember calling for managerial stability numerous times at Everton

Maybe it is the benefits of long term management and stability, but in my opinion I doubt it.

 

[tommytowne]

I'm deffo on a nostalgia roll this weekend with all things RS connected.
It became a novelty thing 1964/65 and 66 for kopites to give their newborn sons middle names of all eleven of the all conquering Shankly sides. So you'd have say Brian, Lawrence Lawler Byrne Milne and so on, all of them, then the surname.
It got me thinking how these now sixty year olds must curse their parents when on forms they're required to give their first and all middle names, when filling out forms.

 

[tsubaki]

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Yeah where would a premiership footballer get a hold of these drugs accidentally.

Honestly the doping in the league is beyond our own comprehensive. From inhalers to this, I'd imagine the league don't want to identify any of the players because they played a part in big European games and risk the punishment.

TBF the follow-up question there needs to be how many TUEs have been issued, and for what (and really to which clubs as well, though they'll probably never let that happen).

 

[arch stanton]

I seem to remember calling for managerial stability numerous times at Everton

Maybe it is the benefits of long term management and stability, but in my opinion I doubt it.

if management stability was the key driver, Burnley would be up at the top of the table and wouldn't have just fired off the gravel swiller

 

[joe1878]

The state of this tweet, I’m not a fighter by any means, but if these 3 tried fronting me I’d fancy my chances.

 

[Saint Domingo]

if management stability was the key driver, Burnley would be up at the top of the table and wouldn't have just fired off the gravel swiller

Chelsea wouldn’t have won the trophies they have recently either.

What you are seeing now though that even Chelsea can put a top squad together (one that was arguably seen as better than City’s or Liverpool’s before the season started) they can give that squad to a top manager capable of outwitting Klopp or Guardiola in one off games, they can win the CL with him, but they cannot compete in the league. That’s because there’s games when Chelsea have key players missing, or they’re tired, or they just get unlucky and they drop points. They play rubbish against Brentford and get punished.

That’s what I expect the top sides in this league to be. On their day (which is a lot of days) they’re good, but take a few players out and they’re not as effective and can drop points on an off day. That was Fergie’s United, that was Wenger’s Arsenal, even Mourinho’s Chelseas with all the financial advantages they had.

Now however we’re seeing two teams season after season almost winning every game (apart from the seasons they cycled off of course and were back to looking normal but blamed it on a CB injury each). Whoever is injured for them it barely matters, they just cycle another player in and are just as good. They can go away to very decent premier league teams after a midweek European game, not rotate at all, and then absolutely run all over them on their own ground.

Now if managerial longevity is the only reason these two can do this, then why didn’t Zidane’s Madrid win the league every season against a poor Barcelona? Zidane is a top manager, they’re top players undoubtedly. Equally will Chelsea be posting 95+ points season after season if they keep hold of Tuchel for another few seasons? I doubt it somehow.

No one is saying Pep and Klopp aren’t good managers, or that they don’t have good players, but the level of consistency they’re reaching over a long period of time without issue is anomalous with the history of the game. So we’re either looking at the two greatest teams in the history of football in this country that’s somehow both arrived at exactly the same time, or something is amiss.

 

[daza_1973]

Chelsea wouldn’t have won the trophies they have recently either.

What you are seeing now though that even Chelsea can put a top squad together (one that was arguably seen as better than City’s or Liverpool’s before the season started) they can give that squad to a top manager capable of outwitting Klopp or Guardiola in one off games, they can win the CL with him, but they cannot compete in the league. That’s because there’s games when Chelsea have key players missing, or they’re tired, or they just get unlucky and they drop points. They play rubbish against Brentford and get punished.

That’s what I expect the top sides in this league to be. On their day (which is a lot of days) they’re good, but take a few players out and they’re not as effective and can drop points on an off day. That was Fergie’s United, that was Wenger’s Arsenal, even Mourinho’s Chelseas with all the financial advantages they had.

Now however we’re seeing two teams season after season almost winning every game (apart from the seasons they cycled off of course and were back to looking normal but blamed it on a CB injury each). Whoever is injured for them it barely matters, they just cycle another player in and are just as good. They can go away to very decent premier league teams after a midweek European game, not rotate at all, and then absolutely run all over them on their own ground.

Now if managerial longevity is the only reason these two can do this, then why didn’t Zidane’s Madrid win the league every season against a poor Barcelona? Zidane is a top manager, they’re top players undoubtedly. Equally will Chelsea be posting 95+ points season after season if they keep hold of Tuchel for another few seasons? I doubt it somehow.

No one is saying Pep and Klopp aren’t good managers, or that they don’t have good players, but the level of consistency they’re reaching over a long period of time without issue is anomalous with the history of the game. So we’re either looking at the two greatest teams in the history of football in this country that’s somehow both arrived at exactly the same time, or something is amiss.

Occam's razor says the latter.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Occam's razor says the latter.

It’s more surprising people don’t question City more as well

They had a team with a spine of Kompany, Fernandinho, Toure, Silva Aguero

These are not only some of the greatest players in City’s history, but in the history of the league even before Guardiola arrived.

Now City don’t have any of them in their first 11, replaced by Dias, Rodri, Gundogan, Bernardo Silva, and any wide player as a forward Pep chooses. Any team should experience a dip here, Barcelona did when Xavi Iniesta went, I expect Madrid to when Modric Kroos Casemiro go.

City lost their greatest ever spine, replaced some of them with players no one had heard of and got even more consistent, even better. How does that even add up?

 

[Blue 1]

Mate, I'm convinced you're a RS. There's no explanation otherwise. Every time you say something like this, it's like they pin it up as motivation in their changing room. Just stop predicting things and leave it be. I can't be doing with it anymore, it infuriates me.

Not the only thing they pin up, the bunch of PED abusing cheats.

 

[YoboCopter]

It’s more surprising people don’t question City more as well

They had a team with a spine of Kompany, Fernandinho, Toure, Silva Aguero

These are not only some of the greatest players in City’s history, but in the history of the league even before Guardiola arrived.

Now City don’t have any of them in their first 11, replaced by Dias, Rodri, Gundogan, Bernardo Silva, and any wide player as a forward Pep chooses. Any team should experience a dip here, Barcelona did when Xavi Iniesta went, I expect Madrid to when Modric Kroos Casemiro go.

City lost their greatest ever spine, replaced some of them with players no one had heard of and got even more consistent, even better. How does that even add up?

Everyone else has got worse?

 

[Shevin Keedy]

I seem to remember calling for managerial stability numerous times at Everton

Maybe it is the benefits of long term management and stability, but in my opinion I doubt it.

It is as though you don't believe in the power of upside down scarves, collective prayers to King Kenny, and a magic song. You're so cynical.

 

[Toast]

Cranks.

Absolute cranks.