PaddyJames
Player Valuation: £25m
Pearce who? I'm pretty sure somewhere down the line Abu Dhabi have had an interest in them. I've heard them liked with them a number of times since around when Abramovich bought Chelsea.
ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3
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catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
This shows how confused he is really. Investors really wouldn't be looking at players contract. How old your ground is, where it is situated (this by all accounts made City's owners plump for them over us) what competition you have in a City and in nearby City's etc are all factors.
It is worth noting, the players signed down is evidence FSG want to stay. If you are looking to sell up, you do not enter into long term commitments. I'm very surprised anyone would think that. It's almost the opposite conclusion as to what works in business.
They have also tied down what are essentially now financial liabilities. 7 of their starting 11 will be 30+ on long term deals. Players are 30 now trade at essentially 0. They have huge wage commitments to these players.
That's not to say I don't see any sense in it, from a footballing viewpoint, I can understand the decision making, but from a financial planning viewpoint, they are pouring good money on depreciating liabilities.
I am a bit startled at the level of analysis on that.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
James Pearce mate.
And I think Dubai showed some interest and there was around that time yes, but they thought against it. It has been American owners who tend to value what Liverpool has to offer as a package. And I'm not knocking them, from an investment standpoint, themselves and United offer a lot of things American investors look for. Stable cash flows, strong brand names. There's not a lot of romance around it, but it's quite effective, and American owners can market them very broadly.
duncs pigeon
Player Valuation: £35m
Why cant you just say 'we or us' instead of 'them or they'?Abu Dhabi wanted to buy them according to Amanda Staveley, said they were first choice in 2008 but the previous owners wouldn't sell so they chose Man City where Thaksin Shinawatra needed to sell asap.
Abu Dhabi family 'tried Liverpool FC takeover' before Man City deal
Some of Manchester City's rivals will be wondering what could have beenwww.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
Man City owners "tried and tried" to buy Liverpool before concluding deal
Ex-Liverpool midfielder Graeme Souness has detailed a chat he had with Amanda Staveley - who is now brokering a deal for Newcastle - about the Abu Dhabi family's effortswww.mirror.co.uk
It was breaking news live a couple of years ago on Sky News with Mark Kleinman that Abu Dhabi had put in an offer for them, loads of articles on it, it was a £2 billion offer and was turned down flat, not sure why they had no interest.
Liverpool owners insist club is not for sale despite £2bn takeover bid
Details have emerged of a proposal from Abu Dhabi-based Sheik Khaled Bin Zayed Al Nehayan which was swiftly rebuffedwww.independent.co.uk
Cousin of Man City owner failed with £2bn takeover of Liverpool
EXCLUSIVE BY ADAM CRAFTON AND MATT LAWTON: Sheik Khaled Bin Zayed Al Nehayan, a member of the family who govern Abu Dhabi, approached Liverpool representatives.www.dailymail.co.uk
Can see why they would be attractive to a petro dollar country, they get a huge club with a huge following straight off the bat, a top 6 turnover in world football where you don't have to be financial doping to get them at the top table, 60k stadium already, huge commercial portfolio already where you don't have to use state assets commercially like PSG and City.
They have had China, Dubai and Abu Dhabi who have tried to buy them, if FSG put the club for sale they will easily get a state at the front of the queue wanting to buy them, just like Saudi Arabia who have shown an interest in Man United the last few years, these clubs would be the ultimate sport washing vehicles with the hundreds of million of fans both clubs have around the World, unlike the smaller clubs of City and PSG.
Petro dollar states are only interested in clubs who share the name of the city , it's why Newcastle were attractive to the Saudi's after being rebuffed by the Glazers, it's why Qatar want a 2nd club and were interested in Leeds, it's why clubs in Nottingham Paris, Malaga and Manchester were bought by royals of petro dollar states.
PaddyJames
Player Valuation: £25m
Hang on, where City's ground is made them buy them instead of us?
They tried to buy the rs but couldn't deal with their owners so went for City.
PaddyJames
Player Valuation: £25m
James Pearce is a kopite rat. I'd believe two separate middle east publications over him 8 days a week.
I'd imagine there has absolutely been a lot of interest from rich investors all over the world in most regular premier league clubs.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
I think safe standing will be hard to monetise really. It will increase capacities but probably lead to a reduction in costs. I would imagine they will be accompanied by having to have fairer ticketing.
As for moving, it opens up much wider commercial opportunities. Partners basically like having new shiny stadiums to go and sit in. Arsenal have already paid off their stadium and still bring in far more commercial revenue each game than Liverpool do. Liverpool could win the league and Arsenal finish 16th and that would still be the case.
It's hard to introduce that very coorporate culture at an exist stadium. LFC tried with the new stand with the 80 quid tickets, and LFC fans rightly said, you're just charging me 2/3 times as much for the same spec I had before. That becomes a lot easier to manage with a new ground and new opportunities that exist. It's why investors like it.
On your final point, to a degree they are, but each of those clubs have also been run very well. They have strong branding and a good growth in revenues. There's lots of things there American owners have brought them. That being said, it is worth saying, the USA are the world leaders in human rights violations, and have exported that to the rest of the world!
They couldn't look the citizens of their country in the eye if they went ahead investing in a club with blood on its hands and who have decimated its locality for financial gain.Abu Dhabi wanted to buy them according to Amanda Staveley, said they were first choice in 2008 but the previous owners wouldn't sell so they chose Man City where Thaksin Shinawatra needed to sell asap.
Abu Dhabi family 'tried Liverpool FC takeover' before Man City deal
Some of Manchester City's rivals will be wondering what could have been
Man City owners "tried and tried" to buy Liverpool before concluding deal
Ex-Liverpool midfielder Graeme Souness has detailed a chat he had with Amanda Staveley - who is now brokering a deal for Newcastle - about the Abu Dhabi family's efforts
It was breaking news live a couple of years ago on Sky News with Mark Kleinman that Abu Dhabi had put in an offer for them, loads of articles on it, it was a £2 billion offer and was turned down flat, not sure why they had no interest.
Liverpool owners insist club is not for sale despite £2bn takeover bid
Details have emerged of a proposal from Abu Dhabi-based Sheik Khaled Bin Zayed Al Nehayan which was swiftly rebuffed
Cousin of Man City owner failed with £2bn takeover of Liverpool
EXCLUSIVE BY ADAM CRAFTON AND MATT LAWTON: Sheik Khaled Bin Zayed Al Nehayan, a member of the family who govern Abu Dhabi, approached Liverpool representatives.
Can see why they would be attractive to a petro dollar country, they get a huge club with a huge following straight off the bat, a top 6 turnover in world football where you don't have to be financial doping to get them at the top table, 60k stadium already, huge commercial portfolio already where you don't have to use state assets commercially like PSG and City.
They have had China, Dubai and Abu Dhabi who have tried to buy them, if FSG put the club for sale they will easily get a state at the front of the queue wanting to buy them, just like Saudi Arabia who have shown an interest in Man United the last few years, these clubs would be the ultimate sport washing vehicles with the hundreds of million of fans both clubs have around the World, unlike the smaller clubs of City and PSG.
Petro dollar states are only interested in clubs who share the name of the city , it's why Newcastle were attractive to the Saudi's after being rebuffed by the Glazers, it's why Qatar want a 2nd club and were interested in Leeds, it's why clubs in Nottingham Paris, Malaga and Manchester were bought by royals of petro dollar states.
There is only so far a middle eastern pseudo state with awful human rights records will go.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
That's the general gist of what people say. Whether they were that far along the line with us, who knows? What they liked with City (aside from the rock bottom price) was the new stadium attached.
I'm not sure if your 2nd point is a question mate. Did Manchester City's owners try to buy Liverpool? I'm not aware of that at all. I'd also be very surprised if that was the case. I think Simon Jordan said something similar recently about West Ham when their prospective owner was saying about keeping cordial relations. He rightly pointed out that's irrelevant. If you're serious in business, you don't get bogged down in that, you just pay the fee. Jordan, who is very much a mid level business at this point grasps this. When journalists start personalising things like that, it tends to set off my b/s radar. If they are interested, they will make the purchase. You don't have to like the people you are buying from.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
You're not a fan of Pearce then! I'll make sure I don't get on the wrong side of you haha.
He has a line into FSG. They distanced themselves. I don't know anything about said publications so can't really caste any firm judgements, but didn't see anything in Bloomberg or the FT or whatever.
And yes, people have passing interests in lots of things including clubs. I agree on that. Actually having the money and intention to buy is a million miles away. Generally speaking, when you're serious about buying, it just gets done quickly. It's not reported in newspapers like the Daily Mirror on the basis of Greame Souness trying to chat up Amanda Staveley.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
This might surprise you, but I think you'll be ok when Klopp goes. They won't be winning leagues, but they will remain in the top 6/4. The issue they have, is I'm not sure that will be enough for their fans.
PaddyJames
Player Valuation: £25m
"you'll" can you fight lad? Because I can
Nah. I expect an Arsenal resurgence in the coming years. Utd are almost back to their usual competing selves, Chelsea are young and growing even better and City will continue to outspend everyone. They aren't competing as they have been the last 3/4 years without Klopp.
he can get his red xmas tree decs out again
Yarrgh
Player Valuation: £70m
Koeman has got red balls,
Klopp has 2 but very small,
Robbie has a chip on his shoulder,
And Virgil has no legs at all.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
My apologies for the you'll, that seems to have been an auto-correct from "they'll" .
Re Klopp, maybe. FSG do a lot right though, and do recruit well. They will likely get another good manager. It's not like me to be defensive aon them, but not sure it will be quite as bad as we might hope
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