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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

firmly believe talksport throw these in as comedy / parody
Without a shadow of a doubt.
I don't think the fella last night was a stooge
but they definitely use them. The shows are also
highly scripted in the good cop / bad cop sense to
get punters calling in. I binned it off about 18 months
ago and haven't tuned in at all since. Got to say, my life
is better for it.
 

Klopp last night: he looked like a weight was taken off his shoulders with that exit.

He looks on the verge of cracking up. He's a few games away from doing The Full Kenny - slipping into a Napoleon Bonaparte oufit and marching on Moscow.

I think he wanted to go out. He knows he has to get top 4, he probably didn’t fancy his chances of winning the CL and the extra semi final games might have disrupted the league form. His interview afterwards was telling. They have to get top 4.
 

I see that Lady Margaret Aspinall from the Hillsborough family’s support group has torn shreds out of the mutants who gathered last night, or at least those who threw bricks at the Madrid coach.
Good on her, I hope one day she finds peace

Ms Aspinall said the "yobs" who threw objects at Real's coach were "a disgrace".

"They are worse than thugs. They are no use to society," she said.

"It discredits not only the city but the club, Jurgen [Klopp], [and] the players."
 
Not sure who would take any of the front three in a big sale now. Salah might have the olympics then the AFCON, a team will have to pay him over the 200k a week he’s getting at Liverpool for a 29 year old who won’t play all of next season. Mane will have the AFCON as well and is already declining. Firmino is on a huge wage and again the age profile isn’t right.

The only players I can see as saleable assets for them are Allison, Alexander Arnold and Fabinho. I don’t see any top club coming in to take the rest. They’ll probably end up selling Grujic and Origi for 30 mill each or something ridiculous to get out of it but it’s not looking good on paper for them, especially if they don’t get CL.

Fabinho is class...i think hes their best player.


Oh i agree, but it's Madrid and they like to have everyone don't they and by all accounts they don't have Haaland/Mbappe type money without selling first.

You’re right, I just think cash will be king after the pandemic, and a top club won’t be giving their cash to Liverpool for a depreciating asset whilst their competitors steal a march on them for the next big superstar. Perez will want a new Galactico, Laporta will want a new marquee signing at Barca. I don’t think Salah factors into either of them.

I do think one of Salah or Mane of Firmino will go though. We have seen that Jota is basically a more reliable frontman than the ladyboy and even a football novice can see Salah/Mane don't like each other. I think Klopp will change it up a bit but i'm not sure how much, they are heavily linked with that young Camavinga to replace Wijnaldum which tbf would be a very good signing.

Madrid should have learnt their lesson with Hazard + theyre seeing the youth perform now...

Cant see them blowing £60mil+ on 29 year olds
 
Without a shadow of a doubt.
I don't think the fella last night was a stooge
but they definitely use them. The shows are also
highly scripted in the good cop / bad cop sense to
get punters calling in. I binned it off about 18 months
ago and haven't tuned in at all since. Got to say, my life
is better for it.
Highly recommend Offtheball (irish radio show) live from 0730 - 1000 & 1900 to 2200

I pick them up a good but on Podcasts / youtube
 

the crowd thing is definitely a factor for everyone, the overall results back that up, with way less home wins than the averaged over a good period of time. You have a strong sample size of data as well.

What I dont buy is the "it effects liverpool more" that is tripe, but it is another straw to clutch at when things are bad, which is a natural behaviour. Next season will obviously tell, my gut feeling is they will continue the post christmas form, it is too long a period to be a "blip" but there is the possibility they go the other way and they get back on the proverbial horse. Personally I think that's a long shot

Yes to all of that.

I mean I'm not even that strong. It might effect them more, but let's see the evidence to justify it.

When you're about 4, you start moving beyond your ID to your ego and super ego and start understanding theres a world around you outside of your own wants and needs. Some of them seem stuck at this stage. They cant really see beyond their own experience, that yes it will help them in home games, and probably count against them in away games.

I'll be honest, that Fulham away game, where a side sat deep and got roared on by a small crowd and they panicked was actually quite worrying for them. But that's a little thing like evidence.
 
It’s an unusual quirk of the prem. at Bayern, PSG, Juve, Madrid, Barca two seasons of failing to make it past the CL quarter finals probably gets you fired no matter who you are.

In the prem however Guardiola has gone 4 seasons in a row not doing this but obviously winning the prem is such a big deal that it would be unimagineable to fire him for it. Similarly Klopp is lauded for his previous work but in any of the clubs above he’d be facing the sack. So would Solskjaer, so would Arteta, so would Mourinho. It’s only really Chelsea who behave like a big club, if Tuchel fails to win the title or CL next season he probably doesn’t get his contract renewed similar to how Ancelotti got fired by them.

Yes agree with most of that.

I mean OGS is a unique case because of the ties he has to the club have bought him time. I mean he is 2nd there in his 2nd full season too, and could well win a trophy this season.

Arteta is very fortunate, but I suppose did win a trophy in his 1st season. So again there is some mitigation that Klopp didnt have. Arsenal are also in a big mess, and having sacked Emery dont look sure of where to go next. I'd be surprised if he makes next season if they go out tonight though.
 
I’m still looking for evidence that all koppites are racist and b) that LFC are a racist club. Using Holgate as evidence is like your mentor Goebbels’ technique. Firmino supposedly made a racist remark which neither the referee or the tv picked up, he spoke in portugese, his native tongue which Holgate cannot speak. You trust Evra? Goebbels had a PhD from Heidelburg University, before he join the NSDAP. Like you he made blanket statements with no basis in reality and called them truth. Unsurprisingly you didn’t answer my question about where you are from, you cannot be from Liverpool; as a scouser born and bred, I cannot believe someone from Here shows your level of hatred towards people from the same City. And for your information the UAR is recognised by the UN as racist, the USA isn’t. Some people in the USA are, as are, no doubt, some Liverpool and Everton supporters. It was Evertonians who chrisened Liverpool Niggerpool in the 1980s and Goodison which according to a number of black footballers had the most racist crowd in the 90s. But that was in the past and I wouldn’t accuse today’s Evertonians of this. City’s owners were found guilty of cheating the fair play rules. Unlike you I deal in evidence, I suggest you examine the conditions and treatment of South Asian and African workers in the Gulf States, and the treatment of disidents there, especially in Abu Dhabi and Qatar. Then tell me Mansoor and his ilk aren’t racist. I don’ understand your final point. You said Anfield was a no go area, I pointed out that the area around both grounds is similar and neither are no go areas. I have Evertonian friends, and like me they think you are an ignorant bigot just like your mentor Goebbels, who also believed that when he said something it became truth. Awaiting a ban, if not further comment will follow.

Oh iya mate

Liverpool's owners were also found guilty of cheating the fair play rules...

lol lol lol

What a way to go. Better luck next season mate. YNWA.

Didn't Evra receive an apology letter from Peter Moore, apologising for the way Liverpool acted?

Mate what are you doing on an Everton website dressed as Jimmy Husband ? Bad result or something ?

Dear Jimmy, you mental cult freak, please leave us in peace and get back to your sad life of denial.
Missing you already x

Why are you awaiting a ban?

he should have sent a copy to juve,as well!

I’m interested to see what the further comment is. Hopefully the mods hold off for a little longer.


Do one you disgusting piss stinking rat

"You trust Evra"? The optics for that sentence aren't fantastic, my fellow blue who is definitely, 100% not some sad gimp on an opposing teams footy forum.

Get a life mate this is sad.

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Shush. He only deals in facts!

Awfu post, you ain’t welcome amongst the good folk of GOT.

It’s true isn’t it, you’re ashamed of nothing

Here is a fact for him that he seems to have forgotten, the one about how one of their most famous managers used to use a black dot to represent black players on a tactics board and red ones for the white players.

Well I might not have a PhD from Heideburg University, but let me make a blanket statement, I suspect that jimmyhusband is a bit cracked. Like a team bus window near Anfield. I'm waiting for him to phone into Talksport for his complaints.

Standard Chartered washes money for terrorist organisations and drug cartels.

@Jimmyhusband Are you Scouse or Englishlol

Hans, are we the bad guys?

You have proved a point liverpool fans think there is good racism (liverpool guilty) and bad racism (liverpool innocent) the truth is non racists want to move forward and racist want the good old days back . I've got all the first hand evidence I need who is the institutional racist club, the local pubs and social clubs are full of them.

YOU are all the actual evidence you are seeking. Go look in the mirror.

I suspect if we looked into them closer we'd find they all have suspiciously high gas bills.

I really don't know where to start with this heap of racist nonsense. It would be appreciated if you could actually answer the questions set out logically, rather than giving us the benefit of your prejudicial opinions- which with respect, nobody is really interested in. Racists opinions don't matter. Lets try and comb through the nonsense a bit though.

On Kopites being racist. You are a good examplar. You have just stated you don't believe either black footballers when reporting racism. "You trust Evra" well given what we know about racism- that black people will not be lying when reporting it- and that a panel of white people from an organisation that rarely finds anyone racist agreed with him, it is overwhelming evidence that he is trustworthy. They have corroborated his account. Now tell me, what is it about Patrice Evra (the black man) that you find untrustworthy?

Believing victims of racism, and viewing their accounts as trustworthy and credible is really a bit of an entry level of finding out if someone is racist. You may still be racist and do the above, but it's a good 1st hurdle most racists fall down upon. It's no surprise you, and most Kopites fall down on it as well.

The fact the club, on finding out had an employee who racially abused someone championed him, stuck him on the players shirts, made him a hero because of it, put their manager out to lie on TV about him not shaking said racists hands and then refused to cut all ties with said manager shows a very clear pathway of a toxic, racist organisation. Indeed I believe that the said manager who wore one of those T Shirts is still allowed to attend matches, and has even had a stand named after him? I mean I could go on, but again, the case is overwhelming.

I have no idea why you are interested in where I am from? Would me being from Liverpool mean that opposing racism is any more or less palatable? It has no relevence. I don't live in Liverpool, it's no secret. However your hypthesis about people from Liverpool is completely wrong. All of my family on both sides still live in the City. Both of my parents are proud scousers, and brought me up to be proud of the city I'm from but also recognise it's limitations, and the hangover of racism/ and the unethical relationshipthe city had with slavery. I was lucky to be brought up by two scousers, who found racism abhorrent, and loathed people who were racist, whether they were from Liverpool or anywhere else. I have enormous respect for the City, and consider it a spiritual home, but that doesn't extend to defending grubby little racists like you.

As for the nicknake for Liverpool that was used in the 80's, I'd really ask why you are using language like that (over and above the fact you've outed yourself as a racist). Liverpool fans used to go to the match in the 80's where KKK outfits. John Barnes was given the nickname "digger" on account of it rhyming with a racist slur (not a very funny joke, but I'm sure you'll have a go at justifying it). Grobelaar went to christmas parties in a KKK outfit. A section of Everton fans would throw bananas at John Barnes and a small number would even take pride in Everton being White (which was of course untrue as we had black players up to the 60's, but you know racists are idiots so as we see with you it's hard to really reason with them). The key part of this is it's all abhorrent and wrong, and would want anyone associated with this to never watch Everton or Liverpool again.

The difference is though, Everton players didn't wear on their warm up T Shirts a picture of someone convicted of racism. They didn't issue phrases like "do you trust Barnes" with the racist insinuation that black people aren't trustworthy. Aside from all of that, you've already stated that you feel it's out of order for people to hate those from Liverpool partaking in racist abuse, so in your bigoted little world we should not have a pop at them, as we don't want to criticise people from the city. I personally think racism should be stamped out wherever it's from, but I'm not a racist so I would say that.

"America is not racist". I really don't even know where to start with that. If you have even the slightest understnding of America's past, or what America is suffering now with the swathes of Black Lives Matter protests and a police force murdering black people (60 years ago they would just lynch them) to putting the children of Mexican immigrants into camps away from their parents and then not allowing them to see them again etc you'd understand what an idiotic statement this is. But then, you're racist, you support Liverpool, so we have to give some credence to the idea that racism, slavery, segregation, camps will not be seen as wrong by you, but as normal, reasonable policies. Only a fairly hardened racist would view America as not racist.

On Sheikh Mansour, he and Manchester City were cleared of wrongdoing. You have probably made your mind up on him as he's not white (in the same way you have with Patrice Evra, Mason Holgate, the victims of racism in America etc etc) so you're not going to be able to understand it, but he was cleared of wrongdoing in a European court.

As for Mansour and "his ilk" (what do you mean by this, other Arabs) if so it's another racist comment. But yes, UAE is terribly exploitative. They learnt from the best (America and Britain) but yet you don't see either as racist, so I'm a bit sceptical that you are really bothered about the racism within those societies, or you are merely upset they are not white.

As for other Evertonians thinking I'm like Goebells, I do find that very hard to believe. I find it hard to believe any Evertonian would give you the time of day, that you've got many mates (most racists tend to be sad, lonely, pathetic creatures, embittered at the world around them) and the comparison is completely absurd. Goebells was a proponent of the most brutal type of racism, and wanted to slaughter every Jewish person alive. I have have a long term partnership/relationship with a Jewish woman from a family of people who were nearly wiped out by Goebells policies and ideas. The two things are complete opposites, which anyone can see. I'm sure lots of Evertonians would dislike lots of things about me, but I doubt any would think the Goebells comparison would fit.

Just going off the thousands of Evertonians on this site, none seem to like you and almost everyone who is commenting seems to agree with me. Which seems to be a better indicator than you and your imaginary friends.

As a final aside, please don't keep sending me private messages. I really don't have anything to say to people like you. As a rule I believe in a no platform approach. People like you, with your cancerous ideas shouldn't be able to air them publicly without being in fear. It's a great shame we don't live in a society whereby people like you are not more scared to be able to spout their poison. I can assure you, I really don't have any interest in conversing with you.

Hopefully this has cut through some of the insane, offensive nonsense you've put up. I would advise you take your hate and racism elsewhere, as it's not welcome here, and it's not welcome anywhere amongst civilised society.

The shortanswer to this, is really, is this the best RAWK can do now? Send racist cretins over to argue America, slavery, segregation, Donald Trump etc aren't racist, and that black people who successfully bring accusations of racist approach aren't to be trusted? Is that really the best RAWK has got now. Good god. You're really showing me with that poisonous nonsense.

Hi @Jimmyhusband

Welcome to the forum.

May I ask, what team do you support ?
 

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