ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 2

[chrismpw]

It's the biggest prize in club football. It's the one trophy every single elite player in the world wants to win, nobody cares about Messi winning another La Liga, Neymar and his mates with another French league title, I mean nobody even cares that Ronaldo won the scudetto. This year they have all been deemed as failures by their own fans because they never won the holy grail. It's the one trophy in modern day football that cements your legacy.

It's why I went in heavy when Barca smashed them the other week, went to bed utterly beaming after Suarez extracted more salt than Saxa. Got a swift reminder the following week about not gloating until it's actually over. Win this next month and they are the envy of every top side in Europe.

Sound they lost the league to a fake club in City but we need Spurs to sort them out or be prepared for the City Centre to be plastered in the number 6 for a while.

Players want it, everybody wants it, we're told by the media who sells couch space in front of the tv and manufactures the same brands which compete for it each year. There's tickatape and fanfares to tell people when to get excited.

To me, however, its a basic pot competed for by a few champions and an awful lot of also-rans. The European Cup used to be an immense achievement. To qualify you had to be the best in your country for an entire year and actually BE a champion. These days you can claim to be a great because you've won the pot x times without even having been a champion in living memory (as this years final illustrates).

European competition used to thrill me, but now it's just a parade, a bloated and over-hyped one. The European Cup is practically worthless in my eyes. I'd far rather win the league or the FA cup. They have historical significance. Having those on your honours board is an achievement going back way over a century. The European Cup sold itself out and lost its significance when it opened its doors to also-rans to help collect yet more cash off the public. To me winning it is more like receiving a 'participant' certificate at sports day.

 

[Billysgingham.]

I'm aware they never formed in 2009 mate and I'm aware of their history, I know all about how you should feed the goat and he will score. Remember my lad getting Nicky Summerbee in every single packet of Merlin stickers he opened and being gutted. Still doesn't change the fact that their recent success is well and truly bought. I'm aware that everything in football is about money but I'm also aware that PSG and City are on another level when it comes to bought success. I guess you could throw in Chelsea to that as well. On some level all success is bought just some clubs need to fiddle the books in order to inject some cash lol




Spot on. But then being a hypocrite is half the fun of loving football.

Every club fiddles, city more than others because they have more money, but they are certainly not a fake club imo.

 

[Minimeister]

All our new blue mates must have been absolutely distraught after the draw with Spurs. We seem to have lost so many great posters.

 

[catcherintherye]

When I got angry with a bloke on Facebook for making a DV joke, he claimed it was just Scouse humour and his mates backed him up.

I'm not going to post what the bloke out of Space said again because it has bad words, but the fact he still thinks Evra is a 's***-stirring [censored] with a history of shithousery' after all this time is depressing. They're generally a left-wing band, and yet one of them refuses to believe a player from his favourite team is racist, because it was against someone he didn't like. I swear, if Kevin Mirallas had called Daniel Sturridge a negrito, I'd never have made excuses for it. I didn't make excuses for Pickford's vile behaviour off the pitch.

What they don't recognise in the first joke is that it's not just damaging for women but also for scousers. That our collective view is that domestic violence is a laughing matter. Completely stupid. Especially as most of the people singing it will not even be from Liverpool.

The 2nd is equally as damaging if you think of it in any sort of adult manner. It implies raising concerns about racism is "shithousery". Also the idea that if you are racially abused more than one you become a less credible witness also has extremely problematic implications.

It's stuff like that why I don't take their often (confused and misguided) left wing pleas very seriously. It's completely phoney for the most part. When any issue emerges where they can't give themselves a pat on the back they resort to type.

 

[catcherintherye]

ENOUGH.. PLEASE PLEASE STOP..

In work, a fella, genuine Scouser and red..

" If it was 1981 and still 2 points for a win, we'd have won that "

I can't handle this much more...

Well of course, which would have likely meant Manchester City settled for draws in games they may have lost chasing a win. If it had been in 1890, we'd have won the league as none of the others were in the top division.

 

[Goat]

 

[Khalekan]

The lesser of two evils is very much the point with this one. Even they are disappointed with it, and referred to it a the consolation prize. In many ways it's a lovely position to be in for them, but the big disappointment has gone. I'll write something more substantive over the forthcoming days but that was a massive chance for them and they will be lucky to finish with so many points again for a while. I also think Klopp goes at some point and that will spark a major rebuild.

and when he does eventually go, it will in all likelihood come as a bolt out the blue.

In my lifetime of following football they have had three managers, their three most revered ones at that, who left on their own terms, rather than be fired or shunted sideways.

Paisley was an old man and he retired.

But Shankley and Dalglish took everyone by surprise when they resigned.

One morning we will wake up to find Klopp has gone

 

[Yarrgh]

Bet he sounds like Sean Dyche as well..

His voice is the sound effect for sexual constipation.

 

[Big_nev]

Players want it, everybody wants it, we're told by the media who sells couch space in front of the tv and manufactures the same brands which compete for it each year. There's tickatape and fanfares to tell people when to get excited.

To me, however, its a basic pot competed for by a few champions and an awful lot of also-rans. The European Cup used to be an immense achievement. To qualify you had to be the best in your country for an entire year and actually BE a champion. These days you can claim to be a great because you've won the pot x times without even having been a champion in living memory (as this years final illustrates).

European competition used to thrill me, but now it's just a parade, a bloated and over-hyped one. The European Cup is practically worthless in my eyes. I'd far rather win the league or the FA cup. They have historical significance. Having those on your honours board is an achievement going back way over a century. The European Cup sold itself out and lost its significance when it opened its doors to also-rans to help collect yet more cash off the public. To me winning it is more like receiving a 'participant' certificate at sports day.

Not for me mate. I'd absolutely love seeing Everton back in the Champions League. In modern day football the likes of the FA Cup are worthless. You get the magic of the cup drummed in to your ears when in reality some league one side has just booted you all over the pitch, scored off a long throw and then we've been treated to ''WHO AREEEE YAAAAA'' from a set of fans pulled straight from the depths of kin Mordor.

Every club fiddles, city more than others because they have more money, but they are certainly not a fake club imo.

Fake club was the wrong wording I'll give you that. But I'm not going to bend over for them like a fair few did for the other Mancs for years because of some misplaced enemy of my enemy stuff. As far as I'm concerned f*** them all. Tired of cheer leading others success, I want it for us instead.

 

[maccavennie]

You won't bloody believe this lads but our 86 points in our 85/86 season ( the one where we didn't even get a 2nd place trophy ffs) would have won us the title in 7 of the last 20 season PLUS we would have qualified for the CL every season with that total

Doesn't matter that it was 42 game sin a season, I'm not letting facts get in my way of this

I want a 2nd place winners trophy for 85/86 and acknowledgement that we would have won the title 7 out of the last 20 seasons and would have qualified for the CL 20 years straight so let's say even if we had just a 25% success rate over the 20 years I've got us down as missing out on 5 European Cups.

Whose gonna give us those cups backs eh??

 

[DanB90]

I read a bit about heysel and I don’t know why it’s not given any footage when compared to hillsborough...was it normal back then? Football hooliganism ?

????? Lad?

 

[Big_nev]

The lesser of two evils is very much the point with this one. Even they are disappointed with it, and referred to it a the consolation prize. In many ways it's a lovely position to be in for them, but the big disappointment has gone. I'll write something more substantive over the forthcoming days but that was a massive chance for them and they will be lucky to finish with so many points again for a while. I also think Klopp goes at some point and that will spark a major rebuild.

Not a chance they finish close to the same amount of points next year. City will spend in the summer and nobody will get close for a good few years. Klopp will end up at Bayern I think. Kovac is already under pressure and whilst he might not be tempted this time around I just can't see him turning down the biggest job in his native country and his biggest chance at success.

 

[goodisonopheliac]

What they don't recognise in the first joke is that it's not just damaging for women but also for scousers. That our collective view is that domestic violence is a laughing matter. Completely stupid. Especially as most of the people singing it will not even be from Liverpool.

The 2nd is equally as damaging if you think of it in any sort of adult manner. It implies raising concerns about racism is "shithousery". Also the idea that if you are racially abused more than one you become a less credible witness also has extremely problematic implications.

It's stuff like that why I don't take their often (confused and misguided) left wing pleas very seriously. It's completely phoney for the most part. When any issue emerges where they can't give themselves a pat on the back they resort to type.

See: the guy with the Palestine flag in his bio calling people mongs. Can't remember if it was Liverpool-related though.

I think a lot of it is because Evra played for United and United are a Team We Don't Like. The same person said people who accused Salah of diving were just 'bitter'. I admit I'm no football expert, but even I know a blatant dive when I see one, and some of Salah's are pretty blatant.

And if I was Colin, I'd be furious with whoever that Cardiff player was who basically helped Liverpool by giving away a free kick, after what he said about how he really wanted them to win the league.

 

[maccavennie]

Didn't Gary Lineker win golden boot for most goals in a season in 85/86? Surely that should be a 3 point bonus for that which puts us on 89 points and a 1 point title win.

Where's the justice! Now I know how Terry feels, soz Terry all is forgiven

 

[No8Bally]