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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 2

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Any more theories on this Barcelona team being bang average? You seem to have gone a bit quiet on this. :coffee:


Except I didn't say they were bang average that is the kind of thing you do Dave. What I disagreed with is that they were on the cusp of a treble.

Your problem is that you are narrow minded and have binary opinion and then abuse anyone who doesn't agree with your view. If they face Liverpool in the next round I would expect them to be favourites. Then again if they face City then in the final I would probably expect City to come out on top.

That is a rational thought process unlike yours as illustrated below.

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Tommy Smith, Luis Suárez, and football’s moral dilemma

In a pivotal match for the title race, Liverpool defeated Chelsea 2-0 at Anfield on Sunday. While Sadio Mané opened the scoring, Mohamed Salah sealed the victory with a screamer of a goal. The goal, in many ways, was poetic justice: just days before, Chelsea fans referred to Salah as a “bomber.” The club immediately published a statement condemning the chants, and Salah’s teammates and manager were quick to defend him from such abhorrent racist chants.

Between the racist chants and the goal, though, there was a minute of silence observed before the match for Tommy Smith, a Liverpool legend who had recently passed away. A local boy who went on to win every trophy imaginable, he was idolized among the Liverpool community. But for some, such as Smith’s former teammate Howard Gayle, Smith left a markedly different legacy.

Before Gayle signed for Liverpool in 1977, Smith was one of his role models, having won four league titles and scoring in a European Cup Final against Borussia Mönchengladbach. Yet soon, Gayle realized there was a sharp difference between the player and the person.

Whenever Gayle got the better of him in training, Smith, irritated by the fact that his knees were gone and that he was no longer the player he used to be, attempted to distract Gayle by making offensive remarks about Gayle’s skin color. For Gayle, a black man who had experienced racism throughout his career, this was nothing new, but it did leave a lasting impact on him. Subject to constant racial abuse from his own teammate, Gayle’s morale dropped, and he no longer enjoyed going to practice.

One day, during a training session, Gayle finally lashed out. In his autobiography, he recalls taking a scorching shot towards goal, one that hit Smith in the leg. The younger players laughed, yet Smith didn’t take too kindly to it; he responded with a racist tirade. The players, apart from Graeme Souness, who supported Gayle, stayed silent; Smith was a legend, Gayle was just another player.

This causes a difficult moral dilemma. Many of Liverpool’s black players, from Georginio Wijnaldum to Rhian Brewster, have been subject to racist abuse. But how can Liverpool claim to take the high road in the fight against racism when they fail to check their own?

In 2011, after Luis Suárez was found guilty of racially abusing Patrice Evra, Liverpool’s players and manager donned shirts in support of their talisman. Rather than wearing ‘anti-racism’ shirts, which in itself is merely a symbolic gesture, Liverpool doubled down and supported their player. Paul McGrath, a black pundit and former player, criticized Suárez’s black teammate Glen Johnson for wearing the shirt, stating that he’d have thrown the t-shirt to the ground.

Can Liverpool claim to be fighting against racism when they refuse to check their own racists? It’s a difficult question, one that clubs have struggled to answer over the years. In 2012, John Terry was found guilty of racially abusing Anton Ferdinand, the brother of Rio Ferdinand, whom he had played alongside for England. After serving his ban, he kept hold of the captain’s armband and was given a hero’s farewell when he left the club in 2017.

Where do we draw the line between a player’s performances and a man’s behavior? After Callum Hudson-Odoi was subject to monkey chants in a match against Dynamo Kyiv last month, Chelsea lodged a complaint to UEFA in defense of their teenage winger. But are Chelsea’s efforts efforts to protect their player watered down by their recent history?

Racism exists in every corner of society, and given the fact that football is the most popular sport in the world, it’s obvious that racists, whether they be closeted or overt, will find a way into football. Whether they be buying tickets to the matches or playing on the pitch, racists are apparent in every country, every league, every strata of football.

In order to eradicate them from the sport, football’s governing bodies need to do more than hashtag movements and black-and-white videos. But it’s not just FIFA and UEFA–everyone must do their part. Teams must repudiate and punish the racists within their own ranks, and players, specifically white players, must do more to stand up to racism.

Leonardo Bonucci can try to use social media and goal celebrations to polish his image, but the fact is, when his teammate Moise Kean faced racism from Cagliari fans, he did not stand up to them; he instead tried to play both sides and say Kean and the fans shared the blame. White people, like me, have a choice: we can use our white privilege to stand up to racists, or we can be silent and complacent. But if we do choose to be allies, we cannot reserve our vigilance for when it is convenient and popular; we must also stand up to our own, look ourselves in the mirror, and question whether we’re doing enough.

Or, as Professor Dumbledore said in the opening book of the Harry Potter series: “It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to our enemies, but just as much to stand up to our friends.”

By: Zach Lowy

http://breakingthelines.com/opinion-pieces/tommy-smith-luis-suarez-and-footballs-moral-dilemma/

Two of their biggest icons have been odious racists: Dalglish and Smith.

They came into this world as a club financed by bigots; they have it in their DNA.
 
Except I didn't say they were bang average that is the kind of thing you do Dave. What I disagreed with is that they were on the cusp of a treble.

Your problem is that you are narrow minded and have binary opinion and then abuse anyone who doesn't agree with your view. If they face Liverpool in the next round I would expect them to be favourites. Then again if they face City then in the final I would probably expect City to come out on top.

That is a rational thought process unlike yours as illustrated below.

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They're not on the cusp of a treble then?
 
You are bragging about committing a criminal offence that carries a fine of up to £5000 plus a football banning order. Even worse than that you are looking to drag as many members of your family down with you as you can.

Luckily for you and your imaginary Jeremy Kyle style family you are clearly a fantasist. Not just that but you also have a terrible memory, a really poor combination.

What made me put my head above the parapet knowing I would face the inevitable consequence of being falsely branded an RS is the absolute bile people like you spout.

I am old enough to remember being able to look forward to derbies without the hatred, sick jibes and often violence that often permeates the fixture.

Yesterday you stated you sold your season ticket to a RS except in January you stated you were on the waiting list. The worse bit though is the lies about Liverpool fans cheering when a 9 year old child was hit by a flare. That is wrong on every level. It was a smoke bomb not a flare, luckily the child wasn't hit and lastly the flare was a response to a goal going in so how could anyone know why their fans were cheering.

Let's get things straight here some of their fans have done some really bad things. But all Clubs have their share of idiots. Trying to claim the moral high ground at every opportunity is embarrassing and even worse counter productive.

We need to stop looking for a conspiracy at every turn and stop giving OUR club and fans a free pass. Gomes is the the latest example of this. We are desperate to downplay ourselves as a small club just to find an excuse.

We all know Gomes deserved a red card and trying to say he only got a ban because we aren't in the top six is ridiculous. If you follow that through then are you saying that we were getting special treatment when we were regularly a top six side.

I lived in Glasgow for a while and the hatred the likes of yourself and Davek spout is reminiscent of the sectarian hatred up there. Is that we want here ?
Rattled .... truly rattled lol lol
 

You are bragging about committing a criminal offence that carries a fine of up to £5000 plus a football banning order. Even worse than that you are looking to drag as many members of your family down with you as you can.

Luckily for you and your imaginary Jeremy Kyle style family you are clearly a fantasist. Not just that but you also have a terrible memory, a really poor combination.

What made me put my head above the parapet knowing I would face the inevitable consequence of being falsely branded an RS is the absolute bile people like you spout.

I am old enough to remember being able to look forward to derbies without the hatred, sick jibes and often violence that often permeates the fixture.

Yesterday you stated you sold your season ticket to a RS except in January you stated you were on the waiting list. The worse bit though is the lies about Liverpool fans cheering when a 9 year old child was hit by a flare. That is wrong on every level. It was a smoke bomb not a flare, luckily the child wasn't hit and lastly the flare was a response to a goal going in so how could anyone know why their fans were cheering.

Let's get things straight here some of their fans have done some really bad things. But all Clubs have their share of idiots. Trying to claim the moral high ground at every opportunity is embarrassing and even worse counter productive.

We need to stop looking for a conspiracy at every turn and stop giving OUR club and fans a free pass. Gomes is the the latest example of this. We are desperate to downplay ourselves as a small club just to find an excuse.

We all know Gomes deserved a red card and trying to say he only got a ban because we aren't in the top six is ridiculous. If you follow that through then are you saying that we were getting special treatment when we were regularly a top six side.

I lived in Glasgow for a while and the hatred the likes of yourself and Davek spout is reminiscent of the sectarian hatred up there. Is that we want here ?
Most Everton fans would agree that Gomes deserved a red. Most Everton fans condemn our players when they dive. Most Everton fans condemn players who behave badly away from football.
The problem with RS fans is they will never hear a word said against their players. Ditto the authorities.
If you don’t believe that certain clubs get preferential treatment then you are delusional.
 
They're not on the cusp of a treble then?

You have quoted the odds Dave. Barca are odds against for the CL that means there is more likelihood of it not happening than there is of it happening. So saying they are on the cusp is inaccurate.
 

Never seen anything like it

I know lad you lie about a 9 year old kid getting with special needs getting hit with a flare and you still carry on posting. The worrying thing is that I am the only poster to have pulled you up about it. Tribalism at it's finest.

Go on prove me wrong and back up your lies.
 

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