Duncan Ferguson - The Coach

[Zezti]

Its hard to figure out what stays on longer; his suit jackets or his substitutions.

 

[billyblue80]

Five points from nine against top teams is good. Today was poor but when you look at our injury ravaged squad running on empty you can kind of understand it. Now the real rebuild starts under Carlo it won't be quick.

 

[Osamabindiesel]

The results were decent. Giving the context of the games though, he could have done better against Manure and Arse (albeit he overachieved in the 1st so it balances out).

His substitutions were pretty bad in games 2 and 3, and his decision to reintroduce Siggy into the starting lineup was a poor one. Overall, 6 out of 10. Did a better job than Silva probably would have, but he showed exactly why we needed to find our permanent manager ASAP. Did a good job as caretaker.

 

[street end]

Thanks for everything big Dunc, 5 points from those last 3 games with that squad of players is a pretty good achievement. We are out of the bottom three but we really need to pick up some wins now and start climbing the table, let’s start with a win against Burnley on Boxing Day and take it one step at a time under the new manager.

 

[Coggy]

I disagree profoundly mate.

If Ferguson had the impact you believe he had then Ancelotti wont want a dual power structure to emerge at FF that makes itself present on match days.

IMO, Ancelotti has to encourage Moshiri that Ferguson needs to take up a role outside Everton, and to take his entourage with him.

Root and branch work needed at this club behind the scenes.

Get a grip lad. You are, imo becoming a bit of a joke

 

[Lelouch]

The subbing a sub off thing was starting to get ridiculous, Thank god he only had 3 games.

 

[Badge1878]

I disagree profoundly mate.

If Ferguson had the impact you believe he had then Ancelotti wont want a dual power structure to emerge at FF that makes itself present on match days.

IMO, Ancelotti has to encourage Moshiri that Ferguson needs to take up a role outside Everton, and to take his entourage with him.

Root and branch work needed at this club behind the scenes.

Clinical, new start, out with the old and in with the new eh? We all have opinions I suppose, Do you really think that having had Ferguson see us through these past few games following that humiliation at Anfield the smartest move is to punt him because we’ve gone all out and obtained a new manager who’s past pedigree gives us optimism to suggest he can do something many before him haven’t?

Binning Ferguson now because we’ve brought a new man and his son at the helm is incredulous as its ridiculous. Talk about bringing pressure and embarrassment when it’s not needed. We’ve shot ourselves in the foot so many times with recent managerial and their assistant appointments to realise making another own goal is not exactly needed.

If you can realistically make a credible argument for Ferguson being told to leave at this moment in time without sounding a WUM or simply someone who is so out of touch with the views of real.....and for many, match going or long suffering fans.....who face into conversations with ordinary people, and football rivals, on a daily basis outside of the safety of an Internet keyboard and it’s irrepressible ability to offer a safe harbour for individuals antagonist views, help me understand your thinking here.

You may not rate Ferguson as a man, a former player, or as a coach or interim manager. Your choice. But to say the new manager should be lobbying the owner for him to dispose of Fergusons credentials and association with the club in favour of a new role elsewhere tells me you are more interested in yourself and garnering opposing views and commentary than accepting more moderate and sensible opinions about how our club needs to progress. And how it does so.

Ferguson may not be there in three years, no idea, but in the short to medium term he’ll be here supporting the new manager until they say he is no longer required. Did you see the smile and memories he created for one fan when stopped to talk and pass on his Blue sweatband.....that supporter will remember his thoughtfulness for many a year. He does this every day of his life, giving his time and encouragement to many who see him embody what it means to be an Evertonian. He has qualities and an affinity with our club and support that transcend his playing or coaching ability, a rare few have that magical ingredient. He has this ...in spades and it’s natural to him. It’s a rare quality to mix humility with pride and passion.

On the other hand, we are made up that you support us. In your own way, you can be insightful and thought provoking, Equally you can be just plain wrong in your views. I reckon you actually care and also try to identify with the same club as I do. So, by that measure we are lucky to have you, in the background. Means a lot. I won’t count on your support when it’s tough though. You’d have long gone and explained the reasons why it had gone wrong.

All said, I profoundly disagree with your opinion Ancelotti should be lobbying Moshiri to ask Duncan Ferguson find himself a new role at a different club at this moment in time. It’s fair to say we disagree on this point.

 

[PhilRegan]

A lot of twitchy bums amongst the players. Under Silva they probably only had to tickle his belly and get away with strolling around goodison.

They players hopefully are starting to realise the easy ride gravy train is coming to the end.

Duncan's message again today was clear , Tosun isn't good enough and I've got to bring a cb on to play my other cb in midfield.

Michael keane looked worse then ever , bag of nerves. Thee 45 million pound man was atrocious again. Don Carlo was not impressed.

 

[tim gabbott]

Thank you dunc,,that’s all that needs to be said

 

[Cork Evertonian]

Well done Dunc.During his brief tenure, he made us more solid, a hell of a lot more competitive, and in his four games as manager, we were only beaten on penalties.So he has done a great job.Now over to you Mr Ancelotti.

 

[little elfin]

For a former striker, his defensive plan is more attractive than his offensive plan.
Strange

 

[Osamabindiesel]

The subbing a sub off thing was starting to get ridiculous, Thank god he only had 3 games.

It indicates that he made the wrong sub in the first place. It was definitely a huge stain on an otherwise decent run

 

[.CrAzY.]

Who cares about subs ffs...

It's a results game esp when down the bottom.

Couldn't have asked any more from him.

People seem to forget unsworth made us worse when he was given the role, probly with a more useful team too.

Massive respect to dunc.

 

[tremont]

I disagree profoundly mate.

If Ferguson had the impact you believe he had then Ancelotti wont want a dual power structure to emerge at FF that makes itself present on match days.

IMO, Ancelotti has to encourage Moshiri that Ferguson needs to take up a role outside Everton, and to take his entourage with him.

Root and branch work needed at this club behind the scenes.

That isn’t a popular opinion, but there is a lot of sense in what you say.

With regards to Ferguson leaving the club – I agree. He needs to further his career. Gerrard left Liverpool, and is cutting his teeth at Glasgow Rangers. He will probably return as their manager one day. Lampard did it at Chelsea, going to Derby and returning as Manager.

Ferguson will never progress to the heights most of us want him to achieve – not as part of the coaching staff at a premier league club. It very rarely works out that someone from the backroom staff emerges as management material from within the club.

Ferguson should go and manage a lower league team, if he has the chance. It is the only way he (and we) will know if he has what it takes to be the man where the buck stops. His interim role has been relatively pressure free – we expected zero points from these three league games.

I don't think he should leave now, but he should certainly consider his career in the summer.

It would be great, if we are looking for another manager, and we have Duncan Ferguson, having had a successful stint at another club, as an option.

 

[Wolf8312]

Clinical, new start, out with the old and in with the new eh? We all have opinions I suppose, Do you really think that having had Ferguson see us through these past few games following that humiliation at Anfield the smartest move is to punt him because we’ve gone all out and obtained a new manager who’s past pedigree gives us optimism to suggest he can do something many before him haven’t?

Binning Ferguson now because we’ve brought a new man and his son at the helm is incredulous as its ridiculous. Talk about bringing pressure and embarrassment when it’s not needed. We’ve shot ourselves in the foot so many times with recent managerial and their assistant appointments to realise making another own goal is not exactly needed.

If you can realistically make a credible argument for Ferguson being told to leave at this moment in time without sounding a WUM or simply someone who is so out of touch with the views of real.....and for many, match going or long suffering fans.....who face into conversations with ordinary people, and football rivals, on a daily basis outside of the safety of an Internet keyboard and it’s irrepressible ability to offer a safe harbour for individuals antagonist views, help me understand your thinking here.

You may not rate Ferguson as a man, a former player, or as a coach or interim manager. Your choice. But to say the new manager should be lobbying the owner for him to dispose of Fergusons credentials and association with the club in favour of a new role elsewhere tells me you are more interested in yourself and garnering opposing views and commentary than accepting more moderate and sensible opinions about how our club needs to progress. And how it does so.

Ferguson may not be there in three years, no idea, but in the short to medium term he’ll be here supporting the new manager until they say he is no longer required. Did you see the smile and memories he created for one fan when stopped to talk and pass on his Blue sweatband.....that supporter will remember his thoughtfulness for many a year. He does this every day of his life, giving his time and encouragement to many who see him embody what it means to be an Evertonian. He has qualities and an affinity with our club and support that transcend his playing or coaching ability, a rare few have that magical ingredient. He has this ...in spades and it’s natural to him. It’s a rare quality to mix humility with pride and passion.

On the other hand, we are made up that you support us. In your own way, you can be insightful and thought provoking, Equally you can be just plain wrong in your views. I reckon you actually care and also try to identify with the same club as I do. So, by that measure we are lucky to have you, in the background. Means a lot. I won’t count on your support when it’s tough though. You’d have long gone and explained the reasons why it had gone wrong.

All said, I profoundly disagree with your opinion Ancelotti should be lobbying Moshiri to ask Duncan Ferguson find himself a new role at a different club at this moment in time. It’s fair to say we disagree on this point.

You moved me mate! Since I was a kid, I always had a feeling that Ferguson genuinely loved and loves Everton. It's seemed to me, almost like the love of a child, who has found a home and a place in the world that finally accepts him as one of their own, with unconditional love (fetch the violin)!

This cynical belief that he is just leaching a living is not only unfair but it implies an understanding of his role in, and work/dedication for the club, of which none of us can have any real idea. Not only are none of us there at the club, but we are certainly not inside Mr Fergusons head...

So basically all you have is a guy who sees Ferguson sitting on the bench, angrily muttering to himself that he is an 'incompetent cone layer' and somehow stealing a living from the club! But all he bases this on is merely seeing Duncan Ferguson sitting there on the bench! So is it hate, jealousy, anger? It's certainly not based on anything rational!

One thing about football forums is... there seems to be a lot of pent-up anger, and frustration that gets vented onto the team, and players/manager and I don't think all of it even has much to do with football...

A guy saying that the manager is clueless for example, is after all basically saying that he himself could/should be the manager! That he is not only the equal of a very rich and successful person, but in fact superior! So it makes people feel better about themselves, and to be fair its something we all do at times...

But, something strange is happening to many football fans since they started posting their opinions online. It really seems as if they hate their own teams sometimes, as gradually the online identity begins to mean more than even the team itself, and they start to genuinely appear as if they want their own team to lose, just, so they might be proven right, over some insignificant opinion that they expressed last Tuesday!

It becomes one big game of didn't I tell you that would happen, and its often not just one individual who is to blame, but a generally competitive atmosphere created on the forums themselves...

Just like society in general with social media now, there's too much ego and therefore bitterness, and poison getting injected into everything, everywhere. And just like with the wider society it can make people nasty. There's actually a great book on the subject of crime (the new evil) that argues, we as a species, have become more evil in direct proportion to how much more narcissistic we have become, or are becoming.

I think he's got a point to be honest!