Doping in Premier League

[NeilMorepies]

This is a load of tin foil hat nonsense. Why would a drug company that has spent potentially 100s of million of pounds developing a drug purposefully withhold it from the market? The problem with conspiracy theories is that there isn’t any evidence that can be produced to disprove it.

Because the drugs haven’t passed the extensive clinical trials to make sure they are safe to use?
Or they have failed testing, but have good short term results and perhaps medium to long term side effects. The Club and (to a lesser extent) the player chose the short term benefits and take the risk over the long term.

Perhaps drug use in the 80’s, 90’s predisposes footballers to a greater risk of dementia than in later life? Perhaps it isn’t all about heading a ball after all? Or that is just a part of it?

 

[mightymoyes]

Do you believe doping exists in current game? Personally I believe RS and City have been doping, or have found some other performance enhancing material to improve their intensity in games. I find it strange that RS and City seem to have exactly same pattern of form, where they are world beaters 1 season, challenging for 4 trophies, then next season look useless, despite having exactly the same players and manager. RS, went from challenging for four trophies in 2021/2022, to finishing 5th and getting nearly 30 points less, than previous season, with exactly the same players.

great point except you seem to have missed city winning the premier league 4 years in a row

 

[Neiler]

Don't know about the PL, but they need to set up random doping tests up for those posting over in the Dyche thread. )

 

[Saint Domingo]

Lance never got caught by a test. The drugs are always a step ahead of the tests. Even if they did get caught, you really think the PL wouldn’t their brand be damaged if one of the cash cows returned a positive test? Sweep sweep hush hush.

 

[spectateur]

I don’t understand why faster, stronger players with greater endurance and recovery would be an advantage ? It’s all about skills and tactics

No it's not.
The greatest ball players would be useless in a team unless they were very fit and fast.

 

[DOMNOLAN]

I don’t understand why faster, stronger players with greater endurance and recovery would be an advantage ? It’s all about skills and tactics

The philosophy when training is to get yourself tired at the beginning, because you need to be able to have these skills when exhausted which is when it's most difficult to be consistent and technical. If you're not as tired, it's not as hard.

 

[Efcjake]

Does anyone remember when Tony Gordon put a load of muscle on after an injury? It's definitely rampant.

 

[Jacko93]

Lance never got caught by a test. The drugs are always a step ahead of the tests. Even if they did get caught, you really think the PL wouldn’t their brand be damaged if one of the cash cows returned a positive test? Sweep sweep hush hush.

There has been a lot of speculation over the years that players who struggle a lot with long term injuries, out for 6-months at a time are actually serving doping bans. Many of those injuries happen during training or off-pitch.

Jack Wilshere was one of the most talked about in those terms.

 

[Furey1878]

There will be marginal things that probably closely skate the line between doping and "good sport science".

Though Klopp's Liverpool were defo injecting Baboon testosterone and adrenaline into their eyeballs.

 

[Jacko93]

There will be marginal things that probably closely skate the line between doping and "good sport science".

Though Klopp's Liverpool were defo injecting Baboon testosterone and adrenaline into their eyeballs.

Without needles.

 

[JelavicBrate2]

No it's not.
The greatest ball players would be useless in a team unless they were very fit and fast.

Most players now are just athletes, RS success under Klopp was just hoofball, relying on Mane or Salah to run in behind. RS weren't scoring goals like great Arsenal, City and United sides of the past.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Because the drugs haven’t passed the extensive clinical trials to make sure they are safe to use?
Or they have failed testing, but have good short term results and perhaps medium to long term side effects. The Club and (to a lesser extent) the player chose the short term benefits and take the risk over the long term.

Perhaps drug use in the 80’s, 90’s predisposes footballers to a greater risk of dementia than in later life? Perhaps it isn’t all about heading a ball after all? Or that is just a part of it?

There's a a difference between withholding a drug from the market and not being allowed to sell it.

 

[formerly manx toffee]

No it's not.
The greatest ball players would be useless in a team unless they were very fit and fast.

Sorry. I need a sarcasm font

 

[joe1878]

I havent read all the replies yet - apologies if its been posted.

With the amount of money involved, theres no doubt in my mind that doping is happening.

I follow boxing as one of my other sports and look at what happened with Whyte and Benn. Promoters and boxers etc have too much money and would bury the likes of UKAD if it went to court, purely because of the finances.

When you look at the money the likes of City, RS, Barca & Real have, they could easily afford to make failed tests go away. Its all well and good saying with modern nutrition, sports science etc that footy players can go on for longer. But I am not buying it, theres no drop off in these players, granted they are elite, but they should be showing some signs of aging.

As far as I know, there isnt as much money involved in cycling. Was it Lance Armstrong? Look at how much he go away with.

 

[PhilM]

Most players now are just athletes, RS success under Klopp was just hoofball, relying on Mane or Salah to run in behind. RS weren't scoring goals like great Arsenal, City and United sides of the past.

They are athletes, first and foremost. The RS's academy has for years focused on players who are tall, strong and quick - usually a certain demographic too.

"You can teach them to kick a ball, yet you can't teach them to be fast or have stamina," is a quote direct from a senior member of their academy.

United and a lot of other academies are the same, with only a few other select few (City) prioritising ability.