summerisle
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What is it with people continually referencing a war that ended 74 years ago, which left us bankrupt and enduring rationing for a further nine years. And another thing, I don't want a bloody allotment.
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peteblue
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Possibly because we fought a war that left us bankrupt and enduring rationing for years. Then when you ask why did we fight this war, because we could have just stayed out of it, it seems there was a moral issue. Now while we still remember it, because as you say we paid a very heavy price, it seems that Europe has conveniently forgotten it, and the likes of France positively hate us for liberating them. It’s Europe you see, we don’t understand them, and they don’t understand us, and never will.........
summerisle
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France has always hated us, but it seems to me a lot of people are reliving past 'glories' to justify their position politically. As I said, it was 74 years ago, it's time to let go.
jaycee
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Hmmmm ......... the plain fact is that without the USA and the Soviet Union, we wouldn't have won. The EU basically came from the determination of people in France, Germany and the Benelux countries never to have a devastating and destructive war in Europe again. It's true that we paid a very heavy price in the War, but the inhabitants of those countries suffered even more - millions dead in Germany and the whole country wrecked, while the Benelux countries and France were occupied, fought over and suffered dreadful privations..
Rephrase that Parisians hate most people - I know someone who lives outside Paris who are English , and get on great with the local French who don't like Parisians?.......
My daughters been to Paris twice she found them very rude and no manners ...... that's her interpretation of Paris - she only went to Euro Disney land twice!
peteblue
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That’s fine, but do not underestimate the effort put in a full two years before either the USA or Russia joined in, nor the economical sacrifice of the richest economy at the start of the war. It’s easy to denigrate but the facts are still the facts...
peteblue
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I didn’t raise the issue, I just responded.....
larrygobfiend
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That settles it then. All Parisians hate most people because Joey's daughter has visited twice.
No read my post French people I got told by other people don't think much of them either....
It's all about opinions.....
Old Blue 2
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pete,
With regard to what I have highlighted above, I believe it is more a case of kthe French believing we left them high and dry at the end of May 1940 when we conducted the Dunkirk evacuation. They saw it as us running away and deserting them. The actual fact was that they had overall control of the Allied forces, and made an absolute mess of planning the whole thing, particularly from 10th May onwards.
Another thing which almost certainly peed them off was the fact that initially we were only going to take our own troops off the beaches, but after high-level discussions, we started taking off the troops of the other allied nations as well.
larrygobfiend
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Paris is a big place, mate.
tsubaki
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That war came about because a Tory PM insisted he knew better than reality did, because the elites saw the left as a danger rather than the racist / populist movements that they’d funded, and because we spent twenty years leaving Europe to the Europeans.
Honestly I cannot think of a better time than now to bring that war up.
Carl O'Ancelotti
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And there you have the bizarre rationale for pursuing a hardline Brexit summed up in a just a few words.
To suggest that "Europe has conveniently forgotten it" when they set the EU up for the very purpose of ensuring that it never happens again is ridiculous.
To suggest that "France positively hate us for liberating them" when there is statue of Churchill on display just off the Champs-Elysees is risible. I'm fairly sure it was US forces that liberated most of France, but however.
And finally, that you make no attempt at all just understand the European psyche, and just give up on it claiming that they will never understand you, explains lucidly why the likes of you have an irrational in-depth animosity towards the EU and everyone else in Europe. You wish to cut yourself off from the rest of us and blame everyone else for this because "they don't understand us".
Open your eyes and see. The rest of the world is laughing at you.
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