Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[peteblue]

You're dead to me, Pete. Utterly pathetic.

Come on Clint, you're a teacher, if you can't attempt to look from both sides then who can......

 

[peteblue]

Hamstrung by petty politics. He tried, good lord he tried.

You are convienently ignoring the couple I posted a couple of days just for you. Thats write, turn the page and pretend the last few pages didn't happen.

Sorry Dylan, I'm not ignoring posts but I've been getting quite a few responses and am still trying to catch up, and have a life......

 

[peteblue]

Oh please! This is what leads to accusations of stupidity and Wummery.

For the record, while Clinton was being impeached, he managed to rally support in order to sign the first balanced budget act since 1969, as well as deal with the death of king Hussein, and Kosovo. Presidents are expected to multitask, even under the most extreme pressure. Foreign policy and domestic policy are basic job-descriptions. Even Trump's racist senior advisor Bannon worked through the implications of Trump's idiotic sabre-rattilng, noting that his own boss's statements would lead to millions of deaths. Meanwhile Trump's other idiotic lackeys are doing damage control on Bannon's surprisingly sensible comments; that is, they are trying to find ways to keep the military option open, which would result in killing millions, and most definitely NOT "keeping millions alive" as you say. Normally I would say "try again"...but please don't.

Idiot Trump watches TV, tweets, plays golf, and reads about himself. Do you honestly think he's thumbing through pages of dosiers on North Korea?

As I said, your thoughtless defense of Trump is what leads to accusations of stupidity and Wummery.

Then just for a change, as you mentioned that you have students and I assume you encourage them to think, you try arguing an alternate viewpoint and I'll take the easy route and just go with the crowd and decry whatever he does.....

 

[peteblue]

That is an embarrassment of a post even by your standards

Well, if you don't like these standards, I have others........

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Trump refuses to call the white supremacists murder by running people over, an act of terrorism

Immediately calls the Barcelona incident which was murder by running people over an act of terrorism

Anyone know why the Jo Cox murder (which was also not labelled an act of terrorism) only made it to page 30 in the Daily Mail btw?

 

[peteblue]

He has been at the podium 3 times since last Saturday and all 3 times he has spoken of the events of last weekend and your saying he had no opportunity since then to denounce them?

Of course he technically did Monday but he was forced to read a teleprompter and quickly walk it back the other day in that rant fest of a conference.

Lets not forget all of the other meaningless and attack tweets hes made since last Saturday.

It takes 30 seconds of typing or about 20 seconds of actual speak to say in his own words "I disapprove of fascist, racist white supremacists and what they did is wrong and not tolerated"

Or some form of the same jargon.

Once he delayed, for whatever reason, sliding it in since would, I believe, show trump as weak (having to follow the crowd) and I don't think his ego could take that.......

 

[peteblue]

I'm glad you agree that Trump is sexist and xenophobic (and for the record Bill Clinton's actions in the WH were disgusting). As to him making fun of the disabled see here. As to Trump's racism...well no, he obviously hasn't burned a cross and worn a white hood. But here's what he's done along those lines:
--he has called all Mexicans rapists
--he's referred to black people in Baltimore as Thugs
--he's appointed Jeff Sessions, who was denied a Federal Judge position due to comments such as calling a white civil rights lawyer a "race traitor" and making sympathetic jokes about the KKK
--he's appointed Steve Bannon, who has claimed Briebart was the platform of the alt-right
--he's claimed a judge was biased due to being "Mexican"
--he's attacked the Muslim parents of US Army officer who was KIA
--he's been sued by the Justice Department for not renting to black people
--he said that quotes attributed to him--that black people were inherently lazy, that black people shouldn't be counting his Casino money--were "probably true"
--he questioned whether Obama was an American
--he said of the Pequots, that they "don't look like Indians to me..."
--he condoned the beating of a BLM supporter, saying "Maybe [the protester] should have been roughed up"
--when two men were convicted of beating up a homeless Latino and citing Trump as their inspiration, Trump said in response to these attacks, “I will say that people who are following me are very passionate...They love this country and they want this country to be great again. They are passionate.”

And on and on and on. I'm no longer going to impute any negative characteristics on you...I'll let you make the call on the above.

In my view there's a big difference between saying something like "I've no use for Hilary Clinton" or "I dislike Obama"...those are valid opinions. I have real trouble with folks making comparisons, as you did, about the "better of two evils". The problem is that things like racism, sexism, xenophobia are not political issues (despite the alt-right trying to make it so), they are things all functioning members of society should fight against. But when one throws their support behind Trump or makes comparisons between Trump and others, as you did, it indicates that one's standards of comparison--Trump's record of racism, sexism, xenophobia, mocking the disabled--is the measure through which one judges others as inferior. That's a weird way to move through life since the standards are at the very bottom of the barrel. One can only go up in standards of decency, not down. So such comparisons are going to generate a huge burden on the shoulder's of Trump supporters in terms of being judged as championing those bottom-of-the-barrel standards; after all, they are throwing their weight behind a candidate who's horrific track-record regarding basic human values and constructive interactions is morally indefensible.

Good post. And the upshot is that he has absolutely none of the basic human standards that the majority of us would expect from our fellow humans and because of the way he communicates and portrays himself everyone can see. He is similar to quite a number of other leaders around the world at the moment, Putin (who many believe is a strong leader), Erdogan of Turkey, etc. Not all of them are decent human beings with standards that we would expect, but they still exist. I would not invite him to my home for dinner, but he may be just what is needed to face down the other nutters in the world. Obama had all the graces and characteristics that made him a wonderful person, but he was weak over Syria when what was needed was strength or in Trumps case, unpredictability.........

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Good post. And the upshot is that he has absolutely none of the basic human standards that the majority of us would expect from our fellow humans and because of the way he communicates and portrays himself everyone can see. He is similar to quite a number of other leaders around the world at the moment, Putin (who many believe is a strong leader), Erdogan of Turkey, etc. Not all of them are decent human beings with standards that we would expect, but they still exist. I would not invite him to my home for dinner, but he may be just what is needed to face down the other nutters in the world. Obama had all the graces and characteristics that made him a wonderful person, but he was weak over Syria when what was needed was strength or in Trumps case, unpredictability.........

Prime ministers/presidents don't exist in the confines of war and/or conflict though Pete, and I would say Trump fails on pretty much every characteristic you would look for in a leader, whether military or otherwise.

 

[peteblue]

Prime ministers/presidents don't exist in the confines of war and/or conflict though Pete, and I would say Trump fails on pretty much every characteristic you would look for in a leader, whether military or otherwise.

I don't think he's a good leader, as he cannot take the people with him. However he does have one trait that is very valuable and that is his unpredictability. In the bigger picture, Putin and Xi could reasonably predict a reaction from America and know how far to push, we do the exact same predictions for them. Over North Korea though, neither had a clue just what he might do and I'm sure that had the effect of persuading Xi to get hold of Kim and telling him to back down. With Obama, they would have read him like a book and just continued. Unpredictability can be frightening but sometimes is a major strength. Cue abuse for supporting an unpredictable nutter......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I don't think he's a good leader, as he cannot take the people with him. However he does have one trait that is very valuable and that is his unpredictability. In the bigger picture, Putin and Xi could reasonably predict a reaction from America and know how far to push, we do the exact same predictions for them. Over North Korea though, neither had a clue just what he might do and I'm sure that had the effect of persuading Xi to get hold of Kim and telling him to back down. With Obama, they would have read him like a book and just continued. Unpredictability can be frightening but sometimes is a major strength. Cue abuse for supporting an unpredictable nutter......

Again though, that is predicated on the notion that a leaders role is primarily militarily focused, when the reality is it's anything but, and in every other sphere of political life, unpredictability is the worst thing a leader can be. The world has had enough damage done to it by men poncing about like macho twits with a toy army to play with.

 

[Tubey]

Basically, if you imagine Trump as Don Corleone or some other cheap hood as you read his claptrap, it all sort of makes sense. The guy is a gangster.

He's not smart enough to be a gangster.

He's a racist, narcissist cult leader.

 

[peteblue]

Again though, that is predicated on the notion that a leaders role is primarily militarily focused, when the reality is it's anything but, and in every other sphere of political life, unpredictability is the worst thing a leader can be. The world has had enough damage done to it by men poncing about like macho twits with a toy army to play with.

Indeed, but Trump is supposed to understand business, trade and wealth creation. The softer social sides he hasn't got a clue. But he is supposed to have people in Government who do understand these things for him. Your last line, while I totally agree with it, is unfortunately the world in which we live......

 

[degsy]

Part of his response to Barcelona



This is what he's on about..

*phones broker to go long on pigs blood and short on black pudding manufacturers due to the shortage

 

[verreauxi]

Then just for a change, as you mentioned that you have students and I assume you encourage them to think, you try arguing an alternate viewpoint and I'll take the easy route and just go with the crowd and decry whatever he does.....

The only class I ever get political in (unless you count teaching evolution as political, and surprisingly some do in these parts) is my "Anthropological Genetics" class, where we look at Scientific Racism and we look at both sides of the issue, though one is rooted in hereditarian pseudo-science, the other in empirical well-grounded studies; we had a lecture on the alt-right/white nationalism and looked at how implicitly or explicitly lots of their hateful views are anchored in misunderstood genetic concepts or misunderstood evolutionary concepts. But in my large classes, expressing my own personal political viewpoint is bad form and I never use my professorship (a position of power, of sorts, at least over the students) as means to promote my own political views or bash Trump or praise Obama. Some professors do, which isn't fair to the students in the minority viewpoint, in my opinion (and that's not what the students are paying for). It goes without saying, as a scientist and anthropologist, that I teach students to see all sides of an argument. It is called critical thinking, and in anthropological circles it is a component of "cultural relativism."

 

[peteblue]

The only class I ever get political in (unless you count teaching evolution as political, and surprisingly some do in these parts) is my "Anthropological Genetics" class, where we look at Scientific Racism and we look at both sides of the issue, though one is rooted in hereditarian pseudo-science, the other in empirical well-grounded studies; we had a lecture on the alt-right/white nationalism and looked at how implicitly or explicitly lots of their hateful views are anchored in misunderstood genetic concepts or misunderstood evolutionary concepts. But in my large classes, expressing my own personal political viewpoint is bad form and I never use my professorship (a position of power, of sorts, at least over the students) as means to promote my own political views or bash Trump or praise Obama. Some professors do, which isn't fair to the students in the minority viewpoint, in my opinion (and that's not what the students are paying for). It goes without saying, as a scientist and anthropologist, that I teach students to see all sides of an argument. It is called critical thinking, and in anthropological circles it is a component of "cultural relativism."

So putting aside his role as president and your personal dislike for the man, how would you explain Trump as a human being........