Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[LinekersLegs]

he has been quite for a few days , wonder what he is cooking up next.

Possibly putting a twitter shiv into Ryan's back - Breitbart has been trashing the AHCA in lots of articles and also posted the audio of Ryan saying "I'm not going to defend Trump, not now or in the future" from the campaign.

Also his friend in Newmax seems to be floating a trial balloon -
“I am amazed that House Republicans haven’t given up on their political death wish,” Ruddy writes of the GOP’s health care plan. “Interestingly, Ryan Plan II accepts key parts of the Obamacare law that benefit the insurance industry. But it ends the Medicaid expansion program that benefits the poor and keeps costs down. Instead, Ryan II forces poor individuals back into the private health insurance market with the help of tax credits. I wonder who that benefits?” Instead of lining up behind Ryan’s plan and trying to appease the House Freedom Caucus, Ruddy recommends that Trump throw conservatives under the bus and strike out on his own with a health plan aimed at winning Democratic votes.

 

[tsubaki]

Possibly putting a twitter shiv into Ryan's back - Breitbart has been trashing the AHCA in lots of articles and also posted the audio of Ryan saying "I'm not going to defend Trump, not now or in the future" from the campaign.

Also his friend in Newmax seems to be floating a trial balloon -
“I am amazed that House Republicans haven’t given up on their political death wish,” Ruddy writes of the GOP’s health care plan. “Interestingly, Ryan Plan II accepts key parts of the Obamacare law that benefit the insurance industry. But it ends the Medicaid expansion program that benefits the poor and keeps costs down. Instead, Ryan II forces poor individuals back into the private health insurance market with the help of tax credits. I wonder who that benefits?” Instead of lining up behind Ryan’s plan and trying to appease the House Freedom Caucus, Ruddy recommends that Trump throw conservatives under the bus and strike out on his own with a health plan aimed at winning Democratic votes.

If Trump moves back to his initial stance (supporting single-payer), gets it into law and gets it to work, he would walk the next election. He would save the country and its citizens trillions of dollars.

 

[LinekersLegs]

If Trump moves back to his initial stance (supporting single-payer), gets it into law and gets it to work, he would walk the next election. He would save the country and its citizens trillions of dollars.

Agree but that bit in bold was deemed too hard to do with Democrats in power in the House and Senate, can't see any way of doing it with Republicans controlling both chambers.

 

[tsubaki]

Agree but that bit in bold was deemed too hard to do with Democrats in power in the House and Senate, can't see any way of doing it with Republicans controlling both chambers.

It would be difficult, but do-able - lets not forget he smashed both main parties at various points of the election. A well-crafted proposal could make it through.

 

[LinekersLegs]

It would be difficult, but do-able - lets not forget he smashed both main parties at various points of the election. A well-crafted proposal could make it through.

I'm skeptical, not least because who would do a well-crafted proposal?

Trump campaign and administration to date doesn't seem to embrace policy wonks or show any interest in the subtleties that usually are involved in getting disparate factions to agree on a compromise.

 

[abelard]

If Trump moves back to his initial stance (supporting single-payer), gets it into law and gets it to work, he would walk the next election. He would save the country and its citizens trillions of dollars.

Lol

trump doesn't have stances, he has impulses. he probably doesn't remember anything he's said for more than an hour. i doubt he even understands what "single-payer" means.

the Republicans would rather start a nuclear war than give poor people health care.

nice thought, but you might as well write "if Clinton as secretary of state had cured cancer, put a man on mars, raised the gdp/capita by 900%, ended global warming, created a trillion-dollar surplus, replaced Kim Jong Un with Psy as President of North Korea, and converted Iran to baptism, then she would have walked the election"

 

[tsubaki]

Lol

trump doesn't have stances, he has impulses. he probably doesn't remember anything he's said for more than an hour. i doubt he even understands what "single-payer" means.

the Republicans would rather start a nuclear war than give poor people health care.

nice thought, but you might as well write "if Clinton as secretary of state had cured cancer, put a man on mars, raised the gdp/capita by 900%, ended global warming, created a trillion-dollar surplus, replaced Kim Jong Un with Psy as President of North Korea, and converted Iran to baptism, then she would have walked the election"

er - Clinton didn't make repeated statements saying that she would do any of those things. Trump did repeatedly praise single-payer, especially when he was one of the field of GOP nominees.

 

[tsubaki]

I'm skeptical, not least because who would do a well-crafted proposal?

Trump campaign and administration to date doesn't seem to embrace policy wonks or show any interest in the subtleties that usually are involved in getting disparate factions to agree on a compromise.

Having nothing to do with wonks is probably something that is required if you want to come up with a well-crafted proposal; likewise not giving into compromise (especially where the "disparate factions" are in reality one faction acting on behalf of its paymasters) where the proposals being made would not result in a better system.

I am not saying he would do it, but if the proposal was made and was sensible (which it could easily be, given how insane the US Healthcare system actually is) it could pass. There is a precedent for measures like that passing, don't forget - that Iran deal that Obama signed for instance, which was universally and loudly slated but which was then quietly approved of by everyone involved (indeed one of the main foreign policy experts behind it has not only been kept on under Tillerson, but has actually been promoted).

 

[RAFUH]

If Trump moves back to his initial stance (supporting single-payer), gets it into law and gets it to work, he would walk the next election. He would save the country and its citizens trillions of dollars.

To walk the next election, he'd need to start the work, but hold off on getting the single payer actually into law until during his second administration.

He gets single payer in this 4 years (and all else stays the same), I still wouldn't vote for him next time around. Single payer doesn't change that fact that he is a corrupt, bigoted, crazy asshat.
I'll say thanks as I kick his butt out of the White House. I am guessing many democrats would feel the same. He would also lose a huge chunk of his current base with a single payer system, even though it would be against their own self interest.

 

[peteblue]

Lol

trump doesn't have stances, he has impulses. he probably doesn't remember anything he's said for more than an hour. i doubt he even understands what "single-payer" means.

the Republicans would rather start a nuclear war than give poor people health care.

nice thought, but you might as well write "if Clinton as secretary of state had cured cancer, put a man on mars, raised the gdp/capita by 900%, ended global warming, created a trillion-dollar surplus, replaced Kim Jong Un with Psy as President of North Korea, and converted Iran to baptism, then she would have walked the election"

She would still have been a repulsive cow though.........

 

[LinekersLegs]

Having nothing to do with wonks is probably something that is required if you want to come up with a well-crafted proposal; likewise not giving into compromise (especially where the "disparate factions" are in reality one faction acting on behalf of its paymasters) where the proposals being made would not result in a better system.

I am not saying he would do it, but if the proposal was made and was sensible (which it could easily be, given how insane the US Healthcare system actually is) it could pass. There is a precedent for measures like that passing, don't forget - that Iran deal that Obama signed for instance, which was universally and loudly slated but which was then quietly approved of by everyone involved (indeed one of the main foreign policy experts behind it has not only been kept on under Tillerson, but has actually been promoted).

Respectfully disagree that excluding wonks would result in a well crafted proposal (don't think your average congressperson or staffer knows much about healthcare or how to balance coverage/quality/cost or how you would handle things like emploer based plans), although do tend to agree that too much compromise can weaken a bill so much that it renders it useless. I also don't think all conservatives are opposed to nationalized healthcare because they are in someone's pay - some genuinely believe it would increase costs and reduce quality/choice and are against on those principles.

But I'd be genuinely delighted if I was wrong about the passage of it, as you say the current system is insane.

If it does come it will have to be from Trump , this morning press conference Spicer doubled down on him supporting the bill so no movement that way so far.

 

[tsubaki]

Respectfully disagree that excluding wonks would result in a well crafted proposal (don't think your average congressperson or staffer knows much about healthcare or how to balance coverage/quality/cost or how you would handle things like emploer based plans), although do tend to agree that too much compromise can weaken a bill so much that it renders it useless. I also don't think all conservatives are opposed to nationalized healthcare because they are in someone's pay - some genuinely believe it would increase costs and reduce quality/choice and are against on those principles.

But I'd be genuinely delighted if I was wrong about the passage of it, as you say the current system is insane.

If it does come it will have to be from Trump , this morning press conference Spicer doubled down on him supporting the bill so no movement that way so far.

The whole existence of wonks guarantees failure, though. Very few of them are experts in their field, fewer still have any real experience in that field, and most of them (certainly the Parliamentary / Congressional sort) are only wonks because of political ambitions of their own. It is an utterly forlorn hope to expect them to come up with smart, sensible and well thought out bits of legislation - they lack the experience to draft it, and the political courage to propose it (or even be associated with it).

As for Spicer, I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of his mouth - certainly when it comes to Trump being non-orthodox in terms of GOP thinking.

 

[LinekersLegs]

The whole existence of wonks guarantees failure, though. Very few of them are experts in their field, fewer still have any real experience in that field, and most of them (certainly the Parliamentary / Congressional sort) are only wonks because of political ambitions of their own. It is an utterly forlorn hope to expect them to come up with smart, sensible and well thought out bits of legislation - they lack the experience to draft it, and the political courage to propose it (or even be associated with it).

As for Spicer, I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of his mouth - certainly when it comes to Trump being non-orthodox in terms of GOP thinking.

I'd argue that there are quite a few wonks who have experience drafting legislation, not least from being involved with Obamacare or state healthcare legislation. Or who have experience from working with the Meidicare/Medicare departments. Who would you be suggesting instead would draft it who has both the relevant knowledge of the subject and experience?

 

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[LinekersLegs]