Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[ToffeeTim]

That's not what was said - I said there are comparisons between his 1933 Chancellor speech and Trump's 2017 inauguration speech. I didn't compare their actions - indeed, I have said several times that the US system won't allow Trump to get his Enabling Act moment and overrule democracy.

I am comparing the words and rhetoric of the man, as are many others, and it's a valid comparison to make. They are not saying that he will "mirror" Hitler, because it's 2017 America and not 1933 Germany.

Fair enough, I digress.

Hitler and Trump are in no way alike. I will leave it at that.

 

[ilikecheese]

Says the guy who owns a Mercedes Benz, two Rolls Royce's, and a Lamborghini.

 

[Clint Planet]

When people compare Trump to Hitler, they're not literally saying he's an Austrian born anti-semite mate... People who don't seem to be able to comprehend the very obvious comparison between the two literally think that because Trump didn't write Mein Kampf, then he can't possibly be compared to Hitler.

Which is stupid. What you've just typed is stupid.

Quite. Hitler was the ultimate demagogue, blaming outsiders and non-whites for the woes of his nation and promising swift, decisive improvements by re-asserting the "pride" of a once-mighty nation which had fallen on hard times. Thousands, millions fell for his schtick and those that didn't were shouted down (and grassed up) by the equivalent of FinnFan.

Hmmm......

Trump is the Illegitimate President. Swept to power on 25% of the eligible vote, 3M votes fewer than his rival, lying and bullying and dangerously racist in his campaign, appealing to the nasty side of everyone, never once showing compassion or humility, and, of course, all orchestrated by @VladP_Moscow16 who must be laughing his head off right now.

If you'd written it as a political thriller, you'd have been laughed out of town.

 

[TheFinnFan]

What a load of tripe...power to the people my ass - the fart is about as establishment as you get and america is now a home for white nobhead far right nazis

How childish. Shows how intolerant and full of hate liberal left is. Sad really.

 

[tsubaki]

Prior to his election as Chancellor, Hitler had already led a failed terrorist uprising in Munich, spent a long time in prison subsequently, written an extremely racially charged ideologically aggressive book, expounded extreme anti semitic views, gathered up his own mob to put pressure on his opponents, recruited many known anti semitic into his ranks etc.

That's why the Hitler comparisons are unhelpful and utterly daft. Hitler was one of the worst to ever live. DT is gonna be crap and make some people's lives less comfortable than need be the case, but the Hitler remarks are hysteria driven nonsense.

They are daft, but there are some common threads between the rise of individuals / movements that are extreme and the rise of Trump.

For a start, domestic politics has to be in a complete and utter (and usually corrupt) mess - look at what was going on in Weimar Germany between 1930 and late 1932 for instance, or what was happening in Iraq before Maliki got booted out, or Russia between 1905 and 1917. A state has to be diseased before people turn to extreme elements. Secondly, enough people have to be suffering - Germany had seen the generation before cut down in an especially needless war and had gone through four or five years of economic calamity; Iraq was the most corrupt country on earth, Russia was run by first inept autocrats and then, after February 1917, bickering nonentities who oversaw calamities and humiliation in war, starvation in the countryside and savage oppression of even well-intentioned criticism and reform.

Finally the rulers have to utterly mishandle the extremist movement for it to succeed. The Weimar regime let the Nazis get away with murder (literally); Maliki went after the pro-US Sunni Awakening groups who were the only possible alternative to what became IS, and the post-February Russian provisional government both allowed the Bolsheviks to operate and failed to remove the glaring problem (the war) that caused the Tsarist regime to collapse.

Of course, the US is not in as bad a place as those states were. However, their domestic politics is demonstrably in a mess, people are suffering on a considerable level and across communities / racial lines, and there is every likelyhood that the defeated of left and right will select the easy option of mouthing off, calling for "resistance" to Trump and further dividing the nation, rather than taking a good long look at themselves and trying to fix things.

 

[ChicagoToffee]

I would have thought the answer to this was obvious. Your system of governance has enough checks and balances to stop an Enabling Act moment for Trump, meaning all this will be is four years of damage, but also four years of serious lessons learned for the American people as it becomes increasingly clear what this idiot is.

So the good is that your country is getting all of its stupid out of its system and you'll be stronger when you wake up in four years time and get to bin the idiot.

Checks and balances are tough to swing when Trump has majorities in the House and Senate (on paper at least - until he craps that out), will appoint probably 2 Supreme Court justices and is loading his Cabinet with white men who have been consistently railing against the Cabinet departments is appointing them to.

Rick Perry for Department of Energy - pledged to abolish it when he ran for President but was too dumb to remember it by name.
Scott Pruitt for EPA - avowed opponent of climate change science

John Hoeven, a prominent supporter of the Dakota Access pipeline has been elected Chair of the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs. The sole Senate committee in place to advocate for native Americans has elected someone who is opposed to advocating for native Americans.

 

[ilikecheese]

How childish. Shows how intolerant and full of hate liberal left is. Sad really.

We are intolerant of Nazi's and racists though. Why is that sad?

 

[AndyC]

Says the guy who owns a Mercedes Benz, two Rolls Royce's, and a Lamborghini.

Not defending his car purchasing preferences, but...

Mercedes have a production plant near Jacksonville and it's been there producing specific car models for about 20 years, Daimler-Benz own Freightliner, one of the biggest US truck manufacturers and also have Dodge (GMC) making the Sprinter vans under license. So whilst the parent company is German, they most definitely produce vehicles in the US.

 

[tsubaki]

Trump is the Illegitimate President. Swept to power on 25% of the eligible vote, 3M votes fewer than his rival, lying and bullying and dangerously racist in his campaign, appealing to the nasty side of everyone, never once showing compassion or humility, and, of course, all orchestrated by @VladP_Moscow16 who must be laughing his head off right now.

If you'd written it as a political thriller, you'd have been laughed out of town.

He is not "the illegitimate President" - he won according to the pre-agreed rules and despite his opponent having an overwhelming advantage in funding, endorsements and media coverage. Even the "orchestration" you accuse Putin of consisted almost entirely of accurately reporting what his opponent's campaign was actually saying.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[roydo]

Checks and balances are tough to swing when Trump has majorities in the House and Senate (on paper at least - until he craps that out), will appoint probably 2 Supreme Court justices and is loading his Cabinet with white men who have been consistently railing against the Cabinet departments is appointing them to.

Rick Perry for Department of Energy - pledged to abolish it when he ran for President but was too dumb to remember it by name.
Scott Pruitt for EPA - avowed opponent of climate change science

John Hoeven, a prominent supporter of the Dakota Access pipeline has been elected Chair of the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs. The sole Senate committee in place to advocate for native Americans has elected someone who is opposed to advocating for native Americans.

Reading that reminds me of a Jonathan Swift novel, in a nutshell, you couldnt make it up.

 

[Clint Planet]

Not defending his car purchasing preferences, but...

Mercedes have a production plant near Jacksonville and it's been there producing specific car models for about 20 years, Daimler-Benz own Freightliner, one of the biggest US truck manufacturers and also have Dodge (GMC) making the Sprinter vans under license. So whilst the parent company is German, they most definitely produce vehicles in the US.

As Alexei Sayle said, "I always make a point of buying British. As a result, I've got a house full of cr*p."

 

[TheFinnFan]

We are intolerant of Nazi's and racists though. Why is that sad?

Youve created your own little bubble with imaginative advisorys. Victims of mainsteam media brainwash. Really sad. But I stay hopeful that you guys open your eyes one day and smell the coffee.

 

[Blues Harp]

How childish. Shows how intolerant and full of hate liberal left is. Sad really.

Grow up lad - how do you know my political views? you dont so pipe down please - you lot are getting invaded soon anyway....Viva Putin !!

 

[ilikecheese]

Not defending his car purchasing preferences, but...

Mercedes have a production plant near Jacksonville and it's been there producing specific car models for about 20 years, Daimler-Benz own Freightliner, one of the biggest US truck manufacturers and also have Dodge (GMC) making the Sprinter vans under license. So whilst the parent company is German, they most definitely produce vehicles in the US.

The SLR McClaren was definitely not produced in America.

Dodge is Chrysler....which was in bed with Mercedes.