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[Ruairi77]

Jesus... Not sure what to say about that. All weirder/worse than I thought.

yea, the college system here is definitely interesting. Crazy fandom that seems to avoid the commercialization of the pro leagues but then you look at stuff like March Madness in basketball and you see how crazily commercial it all is. There's a great documentary called Hoop Dreams about the highschool system that supports the college system.
In the pro leagues there will never be a pyramid system (there are lower leagues) because of the franchise system. It's to the detriment of American sport.

 

[Ruairi77]

Only a few but yes!

So the LSU football program donated $10m to save the school that pays the head coach $9m a year?

 

[Grinch]

So the LSU football program donated $10m to save the school that pays the head coach $9m a year?

Yeah. They made 92M that year. 56M profit

 

[TN Toffee]

So the LSU football program donated $10m to save the school that pays the head coach $9m a year?

Not sure how it works at LSU, but during the heyday of Tennessee’s football success, the Athletic Department was operating with such a surplus that the routinely gave a substantial amount back to the academic side of things. I think it’s pretty commonplace for college athletic departments to operate on entirely separate budgets from their actual university.

 

[Ruairi77]

Yeah. They made 92M that year. 56M profit

Yea, the football programs for these schools is huge. I get it and I get the fandom but might it be a bit too big, the tail wagging the dog?

 

[Grinch]

Yea, the football programs for these schools is huge. I get it and I get the fandom but might it be a bit too big, the tail wagging the dog?

I dont get the reference

 

[Ruairi77]

I dont get the reference

not really a reference, just a question about whether the football programs run the university or the university run the football programs.
The wholesome nature of it seems to have been gobbled up by commercial enterprises while mainly poor black kids are used as pawns and promised the sun moon and stars.

Edit, had to check what thread we're even in.
oh yea,
giving a campaign speech from the rose garden is illegal.
another edit,
Ivanka Trump promoting Goya is also illegal
but nothing matters anymore

 

[Grinch]

not really a reference, just a question about whether the football programs run the university or the university run the football programs.
The wholesome nature of it seems to have been gobbled up by commercial enterprises while mainly poor black kids are used as pawns and promised the sun moon and stars.

Edit, had to check what thread we're even in.
oh yea,
giving a campaign speech from the rose garden is illegal.

Two separate entities in alot of schools. and White, Black, Asian, Hispac are used as pawns and promised the sun moon and stars. Pretty discriminatory to just say black.

and that darn speech!

 

[Prevenger17]

I dont get the reference

I think he means the sports programmes wield undue influence in the schools, even in non-sporting matters.

Have to say, this conversation has been an eye opener. You see so much of that American TV and film trope, where sports faculties rally around accused football players and stymie criminal investigations, but I never really thought about it. You could absolutely see it happening and why it happens

 

[RAFUH]

The university/state pays the football coach $9m a year

It isn't all tax-payer funded. For state funded universities, the state pays a portion which would fall within state regulations for salaries.

The rest (most of it) is then usually funded through the athletic foundation (ie donations)

 

[Grinch]

It isn't all tax-payer funded. For state funded universities, the state pays a portion which would fall within state regulations for salaries.

The rest (most of it) is then usually funded through the athletic foundation (ie donations)

Correct. All Booster funded

 

[BlueTX]

Yeah most of the major sports, football, basketball, and baseball sell out pretty damn well for like the lower division D1 schools and even D2. And then your major schools like Michigan can hold 107k, Penn State 106k, Texas 102k and the numbers continue to stay high. Way for both school and programs to stay afloat. I remember when Louisiana was trying to recover from possible higher education school funds, the football program donated like $10M to the university to stay afloat. Major money maker for schools and without it, most schools wouldnt make it

This seems pretty misleading. The vast majority of college athletic programs are subsidized by the schools and/or by student fees. A small percentage of the educational institutions that participate in college athletics rake in the majority of the money and an even smaller percentage of the schools operate at a profit. For instance, yes, there are a couple of dozen big schools packing the stands at 90-100,000 each of 6 home football games per year yet the average attendance at D1 schools is 40,000 per game so the big schools skew the average. The average attendance for FCS schools is 7800, DII schools is 3000 and DIII schools is less than 2000 per game. There are 669 schools that play NCAA-level football (does not include junior colleges that play). Only 130 of them are in D1.

As for minor league sports, the system for baseball has been around for more than 100 years and has done reasonably well. Yet even before COVID-19 the major leagues now want to cut back on subsidies (they provide/pay the players) and it will cause a contraction in the number of minor league teams. Oh, BTW, the major leagues pay minor league players LESS than minimum wage and are legally entitled to since they got Congress to agree that minor league players are "seasonal workers".

"Minor" football leagues routinely fail. Colleges are the feeders for the NFL.

The NBA G-league averages just under 2,500 fans per game.

 

[Ruairi77]

Two separate entities in alot of schools. and White, Black, Asian, Hispac are used as pawns and promised the sun moon and stars. Pretty discriminatory to just say black.

and that darn speech!

OK but I'd imagine the highest number of football scholarships are awarded to black kids, I'd also imagine these kids are from poorer backgrounds than the white and Asian kids.
but nice one with the all lives matter trope.

 

[Grinch]

OK but I'd imagine the highest number of football scholarships are awarded to black kids, I'd also imagine these kids are from poorer backgrounds than the white and Asian kids.
but nice one with the all lives matter trope.

Football isnt the only sport lol.

And trying to antagonize when I made a truthful statement. CLASSIC

 

[Ruairi77]

It isn't all tax-payer funded. For state funded universities, the state pays a portion which would fall within state regulations for salaries.

The rest (most of it) is then usually funded through the athletic foundation (ie donations)

yea, i figured it was a mix. I'd be fairly pissed if any of my taxes were funding a college football program. Equally, I'm delighted that our state refused to chip in a penny to Krafts Pats stadium.