Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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Bryan said:


How much of this is true?
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I almost had a guy get in a fight with me yesterday over this. Whatever happened with Biden is irrelevant in this case. Two MASSSSSIVE wrongs do not make a right. He thought I was saying "Biden gets off completely free and clear". What the vast majority of right leaning people completely misunderstand is that (I would say) a majority of people on the left want EVERYONE treated fairly under the law. I don't care if Trump broke the law, Hillary Clinton broke the law, Joe Biden broke the law, the Koch brothers broke the law. ANYONE who breaks the law should face the consequences.
 
RAFUH said:
They are a cult at this point. The only "facts" are those that Trump say are facts
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I feel your pain I have brothers (of the military variety) who won't see sense and are all in on the Trump train.

I am ok with people supporting whomever they feel they want to. My issue though is the lies that they defend. Or the deflection to the left.

I have been called libtard and all sorts of names which is hilarious I was a registered Republican.
 
LinekersLegs said:
Was Giuliani on Ingram to the tune of Monster Mash lol

Mike Pompeo might be thinking wistfully of Rudy and the line in the song “jolt from my electrodes” in an entirety different context this afternoon though ;)
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If i learned anything from the first half of the DNI hearing yesterday it's that people can just ignore a subpoena. Great to know.
 
Bryan said:
Please share the debunking. I’m curious because that looks concrete to me?
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I wouldn’t be entirely surprised if Trump try to get DOJ/FBI to look into it and they wouldn’t touch it with a bargepole.

Hunter getting a sweetheart position at Burisma however swampy is unlikely to have been illegal and an investigation into it could well open up the question as to why the foreign business dealing of Trumps kids and Kushner are not similarly worthy of perusal.

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False: Biden pushed out a Ukrainian prosecutor investigating his son
Trump has falsely claimed that Biden in 2015 pressured the Ukrainian government to fire Viktor Shokin, the top Ukrainian prosecutor, because he was investigating Ukraine’s largest private gas company, Burisma, which had added Biden’s son, Hunter, to its board in 2014.

There are two big problems with this claim: One, Shokin was not investigating Burisma or Hunter Biden, and two, Shokin’s ouster was considered a diplomatic victory.

Biden was among the many Western officials who pressed for the removal of Shokin because he actually was not investigating the corruption endemic to the country. Indeed, he was not investigating Burisma at the time. In September 2015, then-U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt publicly criticized Shokin’s office for thwarting a British money-laundering probe into Burisma’s owner, Mykola Zlochevsky. “Shokin was not investigating. He didn’t want to investigate Burisma,” Daria Kaleniuk, of the Ukrainian Anti-Corruption Action Center, told The Washington Post in July. “And Shokin was fired not because he wanted to do that investigation, but quite to the contrary, because he failed that investigation.”

In a 2018 appearance at the Council on Foreign Relations, Biden bragged about his role in Shokin’s removal, saying he had withheld $1 billion in loan guarantees as leverage to force action. But Biden was carrying out a policy developed at the State Department and coordinated with the European Union and the International Monetary Fund.

The Ukrainian prosecutor was regarded as a failure, and “Joe Biden’s efforts to oust Shokin were universally praised,” said Anders Aslund, a Swedish economist heavily involved in Eastern European market reforms. Getting rid of Shokin was considered the linchpin of reform efforts, but U.S. officials had a list of changes the government needed to make before it could obtain another loan guarantee.
 
LinekersLegs said:
I wouldn’t be entirely surprised if Trump try to get DOJ/FBI to look into it and they wouldn’t touch it with a bargepole.

Hunter getting a sweetheart position at Burisma

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False: Biden pushed out a Ukrainian prosecutor investigating his son
Trump has falsely claimed that Biden in 2015 pressured the Ukrainian government to fire Viktor Shokin, the top Ukrainian prosecutor, because he was investigating Ukraine’s largest private gas company, Burisma, which had added Biden’s son, Hunter, to its board in 2014.

There are two big problems with this claim: One, Shokin was not investigating Burisma or Hunter Biden, and two, Shokin’s ouster was considered a diplomatic victory.

Biden was among the many Western officials who pressed for the removal of Shokin because he actually was not investigating the corruption endemic to the country. Indeed, he was not investigating Burisma at the time. In September 2015, then-U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt publicly criticized Shokin’s office for thwarting a British money-laundering probe into Burisma’s owner, Mykola Zlochevsky. “Shokin was not investigating. He didn’t want to investigate Burisma,” Daria Kaleniuk, of the Ukrainian Anti-Corruption Action Center, told The Washington Post in July. “And Shokin was fired not because he wanted to do that investigation, but quite to the contrary, because he failed that investigation.”

In a 2018 appearance at the Council on Foreign Relations, Biden bragged about his role in Shokin’s removal, saying he had withheld $1 billion in loan guarantees as leverage to force action. But Biden was carrying out a policy developed at the State Department and coordinated with the European Union and the International Monetary Fund.

The Ukrainian prosecutor was regarded as a failure, and “Joe Biden’s efforts to oust Shokin were universally praised,” said Anders Aslund, a Swedish economist heavily involved in Eastern European market reforms. Getting rid of Shokin was considered the linchpin of reform efforts, but U.S. officials had a list of changes the government needed to make before it could obtain another loan guarantee.
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Nice, thanks. Bare faced lies again. Crikey.
 
Not that it matters;

Biden threatening to withhold aid from Ukraine to stop an investigation into his son - not a crime

Trump threatening to withhold aid from Ukraine to get them to launch an investigation into Joe Biden, the likely democratic nominee against Trump - an actual crime
 
dublinbluenose said:
Not that it matters;

Biden threatening to withhold aid from Ukraine to stop an investigation into his son - not a crime

Trump threatening to withhold aid from Ukraine to get them to launch an investigation into Joe Biden, the likely democratic nominee against Trump - an actual crime
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Biden allegations are unfounded.

Trump didnt threaten, he actually did withold the money for 2 months. Trump personally confirmed this saying it was a result of concerns about corruption.
 
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President Trump told two senior Russian officials in a 2017 Oval Office meeting that he was unconcerned about Moscow’s interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election because the United States did the same in other countries, an assertion that prompted alarmed White House officials to limit access to the remarks to an unusually small number of people, according to three former officials with knowledge of the matter.
 
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