Nailed on more upsets.I think the Austrian election is on the 4th of December too. They've had to repeat it because of voter fraud.
I think we'll definitely witness more political upsets.
Nailed on more upsets.I think the Austrian election is on the 4th of December too. They've had to repeat it because of voter fraud.
I think we'll definitely witness more political upsets.
Don't think anybody's saying that they are, I am not anyway just chatting about it, not endorsing it.When people think Trump and Le Pen are the answer I fear for humanity.
Intelligent people falling for this nonsense again...'water the rhetoric down a bit'...' blame the immigrants but not in obviously racist way'...' blame political institutions, the eu for example'..'thats how we win, that's how we get our way, then we can do what we really want to..'When people think Trump and Le Pen are the answer I fear for humanity.
And the leave it to someone else to fix.Intelligent people falling for this nonsense again...'water the rhetoric down a bit'...' blame the immigrants but not in obviously racist way'...' blame political institutions, the eu for example'..'thats how we win, that's how we get our way, then we can do what we really want to..'
I understand but maybe not taking to heart is the problem. Too often we listen to sound bites and bias from one side or the other. It seems the days of actual research and investigation are long gone.Don't think anybody's saying that they are, I am not anyway just chatting about it, not endorsing it.
SNova knows I think the EU is going to collapse and is just debating them as a prelude to it we are more than likely at polar ends of the political spectrum but we can converse quite well as neither takes it to much to heart.
Which is awful. People tarred with the same brush. Do you want a ban on all English people going to international football tournaments?
Not really. if you know terrorism is being sourced from one location then it would make sense not to then have an open immigration policy for those people. same as those who travel across Europe to get to France and Germany and wherever else, they can do that because there is open access to do that.
So in a world with 100s of countries if you stop taking people from a place which holds a high risk of terrorism creeping through and work on the issue as he said he wanted to do in the same sentences by the way, then you minimise the risk of terrorism happening in your country.
Because that's the thing, if you believe out of every country in the world there is a chance one or two house extremist terrorists who wouod be willing to harm your country, wouod you still give that country open access knowing full well they are proven to be a source of horrible events happening? Or wouod you look to solve the problem in the first instance and thus make the immigration unnecessary?
Americans don't commit terrorism mate. and the Irish stopped a long time ago, funnily enough after we stepped in and tried to help thst which is what Trump has said he wants to do.So we should ban the immigration of Irish and American people too then?
Let's face it, in reality most people vote for things they see around them or how things they feel things are affecting them, the facts and figures are the icing in the cake to support that.I understand but maybe not taking to heart is the problem. Too often we listen to sound bites and bias from one side or the other. It seems the days of actual research and investigation are long gone.
Americans don't commit terrorism mate. and the Irish stopped a long time ago, funnily enough after we stepped in and tried to help thst which is what Trump has said he wants to do.
I agree mostly with this. I was active in local politics for twenty years and most people seem to vote for a party regardless of what is happening locally, hence Bootle, (where I was active), still votes in a labour MP despite its massive decline over the last twenty years.Let's face it, in reality most people vote for things they see around them or how things they feel things are affecting them, the facts and figures are the icing in the cake to support that.
Lots of people now don't take anything as gospel as we have been fed a line once to often.
The problems as I see it anyway is that the political class see the voters as the problem rather than learn from them why they hold those views, and why the vote a certain way they hold us all in distain.
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