Donald Trump for President Thread

[toffeeblue9]

Let's vote Hillary then and allow her to get even richer by selling state secrets.

Trump is, by far, the lesser of the two evils.

Trump would only be the lesser of two evils if his opponent was Hitler's ghost

 

[larrygobfiend]

Let's vote Hillary then and allow her to get even richer by selling state secrets.

Trump is, by far, the lesser of the two evils.

Obama will go down as one of the worst presidents ever. He's made the world as dangerous as it's ever been in the past 60 years.

has he? How so?

who would you consider good presidents? and who would you consider poor? top 3 of each maybe

Nah, you're alright lad. Thanks for the offer though.

Just because he is the first black President doesn't mean he has been a good one. Don't let that cloud your judgement.

Classic Butt munch, spouting guff on the internet, without backing it up.

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

Classic Butt munch, spouting guff on the internet, without backing it up.

We live in an age of post-fact now apparently, just make claims and don't back them up and you'll be sound - it must be true.

 

[orly]

This isn't some opinion that I've formed in the last forty seconds, I've watched admiringly since 2008.

So what is un-progressive and awful about Obama?

Shutting Guantanamo as key pledge - failed it.

Failed to address the systematic murder and subsequent cover ups by the police if low income black people

Utterly failed to take on the gun lobby

Middle East policy nightmare.

Total failure to properly implement his new healthcare policies

Oversaw the biggest financial crisis in modern history and didn't even bother with regulation or punishment for worst offenders. Next year we will see the result.

People - blinded much like yourself - get dragged in to his brilliant rhetoric and fail to see he is the biggest wasted opportunity for progression ever. Trump and Clinton even being on the ticket, let alone a step away from being ultra powerful, is due to the environment his Presidency has created.

He has failed.

 

[orly]

We live in an age of post-fact now apparently, just make claims and don't back them up and you'll be sound - it must be true.

Which is what you have done.

But then you think Merkel and Obama are great because they do nice speeches.

 

[toffeeblue9]

Total failure to properly implement his new healthcare policies

From a liberal's perspective, ObamaCare is a success. From a socialist's perspective, ObamaCare is failure (it didn't do enough). From a conservative's perspective, ObamaCare is also a failure. I think you have to respect him for at least getting it through - though perfect it isn't.

 

[Ashtonian]

Shutting Guantanamo as key pledge - failed it.

Failed to address the systematic murder and subsequent cover ups by the police if low income black people

Utterly failed to take on the gun lobby

Middle East policy nightmare.

Total failure to properly implement his new healthcare policies

Oversaw the biggest financial crisis in modern history and didn't even bother with regulation or punishment for worst offenders. Next year we will see the result.

People - blinded much like yourself - get dragged in to his brilliant rhetoric and fail to see he is the biggest wasted opportunity for progression ever. Trump and Clinton even being on the ticket, let alone a step away from being ultra powerful, is due to the environment his Presidency has created.

He has failed.

easy to dismiss the congress is entirely republican held and obama is democratic making it harder to do anything.

so for him to have any achievements is bloody good considering he didn't have his friends in the right places.

Jobs have improved, GNP has improved, in fact a lot has improved compared to Bush in his final year. So beat him with whatever you want, overall the country from a general view has improved massively compared to Bush.

 

[orly]

From a liberal's perspective, ObamaCare is a success. From a socialist's perspective, ObamaCare is failure (it didn't do enough). From a conservative's perspective, ObamaCare is also a failure. I think you have to respect him for at least getting it through - though perfect it isn't.

What always drives me mental about Obama is that he COULD have been the best. Maybe even should have been. He's absolutely squandered a massive wave of hope that he coasted in on in 2008, and now we inherit a world where someone like Trump could be president.

And people are trying to claim he is the greatest??

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

Shutting Guantanamo as key pledge - failed it.

Failed to address the systematic murder and subsequent cover ups by the police if low income black people

Utterly failed to take on the gun lobby

Middle East policy nightmare.

Total failure to properly implement his new healthcare policies

Oversaw the biggest financial crisis in modern history and didn't even bother with regulation or punishment for worst offenders. Next year we will see the result.

People - blinded much like yourself - get dragged in to his brilliant rhetoric and fail to see he is the biggest wasted opportunity for progression ever. Trump and Clinton even being on the ticket, let alone a step away from being ultra powerful, is due to the environment his Presidency has created.

He has failed.

Guantanamo - it was my understanding that this is due to ongoing legal disputes over the persons detained there and that congress does not want to play ball.

Murder of black people - you're not wrong, I'd like to see any president crack down on every police officer though to be fair. I would like him to be able to demonstrate having done more.

Middle East - I'd argue that David Cameron started much of the current cock up there. If you can construct a positive and coherent policy on how to deal with that part of the world, I'll nominate you for the Nobel Prize myself. Some thawing of relations with Iran, positive.

Medicare was a total compromise with the legislature from start to finish. He was never getting everything that he wanted.

I would certainly hope that you're not assigning blame to Obama for the 2008 crisis. It was thrown at him within days of coming to office and he managed to drag the stimulus through against heavy opposition.

 

[orly]

easy to dismiss the congress is entirely republican held and obama is democratic making it harder to do anything.

so for him to have any achievements is bloody good considering he didn't have his friends in the right places.

Jobs have improved, GNP has improved, in fact a lot has improved compared to Bush in his final year. So beat him with whatever you want, overall the country from a general view has improved massively compared to Bush.

He's had 8 years, not six months.

You've totally ignored the other bits, which isn't hugely surprising.

His biggest failure is that he COULD have been sweeping change. Say what you like - he's been the most powerful man in the Western world for 8 years and failed. He has done so little to bring the police force into the modern progressive era he might as well have given them their own Godfather

 

[orly]

Guantanamo - it was my understanding that this is due to ongoing legal disputes over the persons detained there and that congress does not want to play ball.

Murder of black people - you're not wrong, I'd like to see any president crack down on every police officer though to be fair. I would like him to be able to demonstrate having done more.

Middle East - I'd argue that David Cameron started much of the current cock up there. If you can construct a positive and coherent policy on how to deal with that part of the world, I'll nominate you for the Nobel Prize myself. Some thawing of relations with Iran, positive.

Medicare was a total compromise with the legislature from start to finish. He was never getting everything that he wanted.

I would certainly hope that you're not assigning blame to Obama for the 2008 crisis. It was thrown at him within days of coming to office and he managed to drag the stimulus through against heavy opposition.

So on all accounts, you're saying he hasn't achieved his aims?

Fantastic. Look at all that achievement.

He may have inherited the financial problems but he has had 8 years to implement the solutions. He's failed to do so. "Drag the stimulus through". Deary me.

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

So on all accounts, you're saying he hasn't achieved his aims?

Fantastic. Look at all that achievement.

He may have inherited the financial problems but he has had 8 years to implement the solutions. He's failed to do so. "Drag the stimulus through". Deary me.

Dragged it through against much kicking and screaming I seem to recall - BBC documentary on his term definitely portrayed it this way.

I'm stating my belief that compared to his predecessors, he has given a pretty good account of himself.

 

[abelard]

Shutting Guantanamo as key pledge - failed it.

Failed to address the systematic murder and subsequent cover ups by the police if low income black people

Utterly failed to take on the gun lobby

Middle East policy nightmare.

Total failure to properly implement his new healthcare policies

Oversaw the biggest financial crisis in modern history and didn't even bother with regulation or punishment for worst offenders. Next year we will see the result.

People - blinded much like yourself - get dragged in to his brilliant rhetoric and fail to see he is the biggest wasted opportunity for progression ever. Trump and Clinton even being on the ticket, let alone a step away from being ultra powerful, is due to the environment his Presidency has created.

He has failed.

He's not a dictator (settle down, Trumplings)... have you seen the state of Congress over there? What could anybody have accomplished under those conditions?

He is just about as good as America could expect, given the circumstances. And probably much better than it deserves. The drone killings, massive security state expansion and crushing of whistle-blowers are very unfortunate, but... he was President of America, not somewhere small and pleasant.

 

[abelard]

If (when) Hilary wins, the Republicans will utterly boycott politics. The Supreme Court is a non-starter... they have already made clear they won't approve anyone she nominates. Failing to pass the debt ceiling is now a real concern. This is no longer a governable country, and the longer that state of affairs persists, the more entrenched the two camps will get. Executive action will become the only way to accomplish anything, and once that precedent is established, and the Republicans win by running a more-competent Mussolini-grade version of Trump, it's all over.

 

[Ashtonian]

He's had 8 years, not six months.

You've totally ignored the other bits, which isn't hugely surprising.

His biggest failure is that he COULD have been sweeping change. Say what you like - he's been the most powerful man in the Western world for 8 years and failed. He has done so little to bring the police force into the modern progressive era he might as well have given them their own Godfather

You seem to expect a president with zero support in the key areas to make these changes?

I am not expert in politics but Fill our parliament with labour MPs and stick May in there and see how far she gets in regards to trying to introduce new things? Same principle, Obama has had to fight for 8 years to get anywhere, plus has avoided any global war or needlessly sent troops to the middle east when that is not their pressing concern.

All in all i believe Obama has done a great job with the best intentions considering the lack of support