Donald Trump for President Thread

[Ashtonian]

I never said there aren't women who are interested in a man for money (and visa versa). But that has nothing to do with my point.

This does....
Why do you think there needs to be

in the case of sexual assault claims?


Do you question the motives of every claimant regardless of the alleged crime or just those claiming a sexual assault?

No.

The what if comes from the fact that not only have they just come forward but also perfectly timed when the election is only weeks away, almost like it is potentially a dirty tactic from the clinton camp to ensure victory.

and that has been my point, n the world of politics you cannot rule that out just as much as you can't rule out the truth (and subsequent investigation) into it all.

Which raises another question. If there was a genuine chance that Trump would be found guilty and therefore presumably jailed, why is he still running for presidency? that is not asked in a questioning the statements sort of way, just a general question, no good winning the presidency and being prosecuted before you even get handed the keys.

Which could be a reason why they have came forward now, whilst it is in the public eye so less chance of him wriggling out of it i guess. but the whole thing, truthfully or not just suggests to me that it is simply a trick by the opposition party to smear his name in the race for the job. I don't think in any case they have all came forward of their own admission.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I dunno Bruce it sounds like you are positing a biased opinion and accepting a situation as just as it is, and not accepting the possibilities.

If a president were ever to get in that might actually greatly reduce the billions spent on the Military to spend it elsewhere on their citizens would that not change the ballpark completely for what is workable policy? As an example.

As such. are some of the new tax proposals listed which would address massive shortfalls in yearly tax collected not large enough to cover those policies? I mean, do you feel they wouldn't collect enough tax.....do you think introducing those taxes is impossible...or some other reason? Why is it you feel there is no basis in reality here?

I'm not sure any approach that suggests the tax income can be increased by so much so quickly is realistic. If it was that easy I'm sure other governments would have done so already. If you don't think Syriza is evidence enough, Francois Hollande was elected on pledges to soak the rich and avoid austerity as a result of this huge windfall in tax revenue. The reality was somewhat different.

In business terms, it's widely reported that as many as 70% of change initiatives fail. That isn't to say never innovate ever again, but rather to accept that these things are both very difficult, and likely to fail. A nice analogy comes from Philip Tetlock's work into forecasting, and he found the best forecasters operated in shades of grey. There was no absolute blacks or whites, but rather probabilities. Politicians don't operate like that, and they make grand plans under the assumption that their mere announcement means they've already worked. Keeping ones feet on the ground is no bad thing.

 

[Ballyfermot]

Thats my name. Dont wear it out.

Im shocked you got so offended tbf.

How could you possibly think the best thing would be to then put a massive capitalist in charge of a democracy. And not a good capitalist. A deranged one. Just trying to understand your position mate.

Hypothetically if Trump had much a say in the politics I'd be more than happy for him to implement his brand of capitalism. A starved public would be more susceptible to overthrow than they are now. I dono if him directly would inadvertently abolish the private ownwership of the means of production but it would cripple the system. Hypothetically if a president has such power.

You insulted an fellow Evertonian for Hill-dawg? I'll member that.

 

[LinekersLegs]

No.

The what if comes from the fact that not only have they just come forward but also perfectly timed when the election is only weeks away, almost like it is potentially a dirty tactic from the clinton camp to ensure victory.

and that has been my point, n the world of politics you cannot rule that out just as much as you can't rule out the truth (and subsequent investigation) into it all.

Which raises another question. If there was a genuine chance that Trump would be found guilty and therefore presumably jailed, why is he still running for presidency? that is not asked in a questioning the statements sort of way, just a general question, no good winning the presidency and being prosecuted before you even get handed the keys.

Which could be a reason why they have came forward now, whilst it is in the public eye so less chance of him wriggling out of it i guess. but the whole thing, truthfully or not just suggests to me that it is simply a trick by the opposition party to smear his name in the race for the job. I don't think in any case they have all came forward of their own admission.

You are completely dismissing the impact of the tape and his claim that it was all just banter Ash.

It would have been a) a powerful motivator to any victims and b) a significant factor in them feeling they would be believed.

 

[ilikecheese]

You are completely dismissing the impact of the tape and his claim that it was all just banter Ash.

It would have been a) a powerful motivator to any victims and b) a significant factor in them feeling they would be believed.

I said it during the debate...as soon as Cooper made Trump go on the record that he had never done what he said he did in that 2005 tape, that it was only the beginning.

 

[Ashtonian]

You are completely dismissing the impact of the tape and his claim that it was all just banter Ash.

It would have been a) a powerful motivator to any victims and b) a significant factor in them feeling they would be believed.

As i said previously what if trump was all talk and no action? Acting the part rather than being the part to project the image he wanted people to see of him?

Think this may go in circles here even though i am not dismissing any allegation or at least not purposely. If the allegations are correct then i hope he goes to court and gets the full punishment that his crimes warrant.
but in all reality the tape by itself just proves he talked like that and did that behind closed doors. is that the real him? To be honest yes, he probably is like that and therefore again another point on how he is unfit for the job. but the tape is less evidence against any crimes he may as committed by itself, like filming allardyce the other week, he committed no crimes, it was the possibility that he may do/have that cost him his job ultimately.

 

[Prevenger17]

The more unfit for the job he is, the better. Burn the system down, and from the ashes behold a new democracy. All hail God-Emperor Trump!

 

[glorydaze]

The more unfit for the job he is, the better. Burn the system down, and from the ashes behold a new democracy. All hail God-Emperor Trump!

If he got in and proved to be as bad as a lot think the next election would just vote in what is there now, ergo no change.

 

[Ashtonian]

If he got in and proved to be as bad as a lot think the next election would just vote in what is there now, ergo no change.

to be honest, from my perspective onthe whole debate, the political system as it stands rests on a clinton win. If she wins, then the status quo is maintained, but Trump wins somehow and both parties have to go back to the drawing board in terms of candidacies. Best and worst thing to happen as @Prevenger17 says is for him to win because it burns the establishment down. He won't be supported yet be the man in charge, neither side will want him to be given another term and both will have to come up with something special to come back after 4 years to try and fix it all.

 

[RaleighBlue]

Lots of men are pigs, particularly rich, powerful men. We can trade a Clinton for a Trump for a Spitzer for a Schwarzenegger...

Respectfully, these are but distractions. If it were my daughter I'd be under arrest for assault. That's not the important point.

Can't you see how we're all being played by this? How did this get to this point? Isn't anyone even remotely curious about that?

What aren't we talking about when we are talking about Trump's tic-tacs and the Lolita Express?

The debt? Nuclear proliferation? The increasingly imperial government? The militarization of the police? Pick one, or add your own.

Don't you want to walk up to your window, open it up up and say "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!"

Well.

We're screwed as a population. Either way the establishment wins. Trump is establishment, Clinton is establishment, and they've done a great job moving the conversation away from the very real problems that wrack our nation and back towards to firebrand rhetoric and personal attacks that have become the hallmark of our political process.

Every article about Clinton's emails (a very sketchy action that at LEAST calls into question Hillary's judgement of her place in government, and absolutely calls into question her belief in the role of government), or Trump's vile personality are detracting from the very large and very real problems we face as a nation.

I would add the continued failure to address inequality, our crumbling infrastructure, and our completely broken campaign finance systems to your list as well. Among many other things, to be fair.

Man...we got a lot of big problems...no wonder people prefer to sling mud.

 

[Moomin]

I'd like Derek Acorah to run with his running mate being the spirit of Ronald Reagan.

 

[Prevenger17]

If he got in and proved to be as bad as a lot think the next election would just vote in what is there now, ergo no change.

It would give the 2 parties a hilarious bloody nose. If I were American, I'd be utterly sick to death of Clintons and Bushes being wheeled out every 8 years. Trump just proposed term limits for congress and senate members, not a bad idea for any candidate imo

 

[Moomin]

to be honest, from my perspective onthe whole debate, the political system as it stands rests on a clinton win. If she wins, then the status quo is maintained, but Trump wins somehow and both parties have to go back to the drawing board in terms of candidacies. Best and worst thing to happen as @Prevenger17 says is for him to win because it burns the establishment down. He won't be supported yet be the man in charge, neither side will want him to be given another term and both will have to come up with something special to come back after 4 years to try and fix it all.

Wait a minute, Trump a billionaire from the establishment is going to burn it down?

That doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Moomin]

Well.

We're screwed as a population. Either way the establishment wins. Trump is establishment, Clinton is establishment, and they've done a great job moving the conversation away from the very real problems that wrack our nation and back towards to firebrand rhetoric and personal attacks that have become the hallmark of our political process.

Every article about Clinton's emails (a very sketchy action that at LEAST calls into question Hillary's judgement of her place in government, and absolutely calls into question her belief in the role of government), or Trump's vile personality are detracting from the very large and very real problems we face as a nation.

I would add the continued failure to address inequality, our crumbling infrastructure, and our completely broken campaign finance systems to your list as well. Among many other things, to be fair.

Man...we got a lot of big problems...no wonder people prefer to sling mud.

It's just not politics, same as in the UK.

Fear and lies is the main weapon and it's like a reality TV show.

 

[Prevenger17]

Wait a minute, Trump a billionaire from the establishment is going to burn it down?

That doesn't make sense to me.

Tbf Moomin, very few politicians, either Republican or Democrat, want him anywhere near the White House. His own party have deserted him because he's an utter loon. His election would cause chaos in both political parties, if nothing else