jayden28
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Thx,might just record it and watch it in the morning.
Donald Trump for President Thread
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Thx,might just record it and watch it in the morning.
Should be 2am in the UK
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deipnosophist
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I don't think Trump would be a particularly good president, but I reckon it will be better for the USA in the long term. The DNC admitted to rigging the democratic nomination in favour of Hillary, thereby rendering the whole process redundant and screwing a genuinely decent candidate in Bernie Sanders, not to mention giving the finger to his support.
I see plenty of people in my Facebook feed who think the US is in dire need of fundamental change, yet they're willing to let the cycle of Bushes and Clintons continue because they've been frightened by the media. Hillary is the most compromised candidate I can think of, already anointed by a party that doesn't want the idea of real change to take root, and a vote for her is a vote for "as is".
A vote for Trump may be the last chance the electorate have of making a real protest, a message to the establishment that will actually make an impact. Because 8 years down the line, the Republican party will fix their nomination system so that another populist candidate can't happen. The Democrats won't have to, because they admitted to rigging their primaries and nobody seemed to care.
I see plenty of people in my Facebook feed who think the US is in dire need of fundamental change, yet they're willing to let the cycle of Bushes and Clintons continue because they've been frightened by the media. Hillary is the most compromised candidate I can think of, already anointed by a party that doesn't want the idea of real change to take root, and a vote for her is a vote for "as is".
A vote for Trump may be the last chance the electorate have of making a real protest, a message to the establishment that will actually make an impact. Because 8 years down the line, the Republican party will fix their nomination system so that another populist candidate can't happen. The Democrats won't have to, because they admitted to rigging their primaries and nobody seemed to care.
Very astute, Prev. Basically, Trump is sold as "risky" (you'll hear that word used a lot) and Hillary is a "sure thing". You know you'll get more of the same, but gradually worse, delivered by Nurse Ratched instead of Denzel Washington. The medicine gets harder to swallow.
The following sentiment is one I can sign onto.
That's why we're so screwed. The media, through their open opposition to him, may elect Trump due to the revulsion at the disconnect between the facts on the ground as understood by most Americans and what they are seeing and hearing from the megaphone of government and media. The people who are most responsible can't help but double down on it. Any look at the money/influence-peddling/security breach aspect of Hillary's current resume is not going to wash, so we talk about Mark Cuban and Gennifer Flowers and how far the tone of this campaign has fallen.
The whole mess makes a GOT transfer thread look like an Oxford debate.
edit - I would like to add one thing, and those here will understand, I think. Should my Cubs win the World Series with no higher price than this most dismal of election choices, I'll think it a doable deal. October draws near.
What could possibly go wrong, after all?
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That's like saying Ireland is in dire need of change, lets throw out all the political parties and let George hook run the show for 8 years.
America is in need of change, political, social, economic change but it all needs to happen gradually. Sanders supporters need to mobilize at grass roots level. There needs to be a stable foundation built for any change to last. If Trump was president for 8 years he would have about 3 supreme court picks, this would cause irreversible damage to America in my opinion.
I'm not going to pontificate much further, just to say that Trump is a moron and in what world is electing a moron for the sake of change a good idea.
Would you like him to run Everton for eight years, I certainly wouldn't. Therefore I definitely wouldn't let him run a country.
It's not at all, I don't think Ireland is in dire need of radical change.
They've been talking about change for how long now? It can't happen. Since the 90's it's been Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Obama, Obama (and make no mistake, that was supposed to be Clinton) and now they're setting it "right" with another Clinton. Sanders' problem wasn't a lack of mobilization, it was that the supposedly impartial DNC funded and favoured Hillary's campaign and bought off delegates. Gradual change won't happen while both parties control the game. Ron Paul mobilized grassroots support 4 years ago in the Republican primaries and they just changed the rules halfway through to prevent him from troubling the nomination (ironically the same rules which would go on to sweep Trump to victory 4 years later). Make no mistake, they won't let it happen again.
With regards to Trump, I think people severely overestimate the damage he could do. I reckon international relations would be strained, but I think the long term upshot of a Trump presidency outweighs the negatives. He'd be the first president that would have absolutely no support among the houses or either party. Obama had the support of the Democrats and he could barely do a thing. As near as I can tell, Trump would be almost completely ineffective.
What's important is the message. The two main parties have a monopoly on the political dialogue and will move mountains to ensure the likes of Sanders can't threaten that. Protests haven't worked. Decades of promises have yielded nothing. This is the American electorate's chance to make a radical statement that they may not be able to ignore. Start giving American people an actual choice. Stop sending out compromised puppets with no other purpose other than to prop up a blatantly ugly system.
It used to be the case that people were willing to undergo necessary hardships to express their point. Civil and women's rights weren't won by the middle class sitting back and fearing for their comfortable way of life. It's baffling to me that people, at once, cry about the severe inequality in the American political system, and then intend to go out and vote for Hillary.
Make America great again!
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That bit in the middle is a cracking observation. The Constitution is created in such a way to ostensibly avoid a one-man dictatorship with the limited term statute, but it's been circumvented (willingly) by dynastic politics on several occasions.
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On almost every occasion when it matters. It's ludicrously transparent but people are being cowed into believing Hillary is their only choice by a political structure and media who are basically cooperating. If I lived in the US, I would be absolutely fed up with the illusion of choice I was presented with and take this golden opportunity to force them into a rethink. It might not work, but it's better than being bent over for the bajillionth time, pretending you like it and telling them you'll see them in 4 years time
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I know there will be several other names on the ballot paper, but in the home of democracy and "land of the free" I have been struck since my childhood days (when the Cold War was in full swing) how easily Americans have settled for such a pre-defined, narrow, and usually utterly uninspiring choice of two "nominees" for the person to lead them. Democracy it certainly isn't. At best, its a free-market version of "democratic centralism" that was the order of the day for the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, and little or no different to one of the central tenets of Marxism-Leninism. The more different the two ideologies (capitalism and communism) appeared, the more alike they seemed to be.
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