Donald Trump for President Thread

[Seanjd]

It's a simple risk/benefit analysis. Europe should be used as an example to America of what not to do.

I don't think the government should have the right to disarm the people.



It's the one the likes of TYT use when they mention Islamic terrorism.

TYT? Still don't know which study you refer to.

 

[SNova]

TYT? Still don't know which study you refer to.

The Young Turks. It's a popular YouTube liberal news show. Liberals tend to link to it often. I can't remember where the study is from.

 

[Seanjd]

It's a simple risk/benefit analysis. Europe should be used as an example to America of what not to do.

Are there just certain countries from which you would ban Muslims from coming from? Ones with a higher risk of their countrymen being terrorists? Or just all Muslims? For example, would you ban a British Muslim from going to America?

 

[Seanjd]

The Young Turks. It's a popular YouTube liberal news show. Liberals tend to link to it often. I can't remember where the study is from.

Never heard of it. So in answer, no. I wasn't referring to the liberal study you can't find, I was just stating that an incredibly minute ratio of Muslims are terrorist. Do you disagree?

 

[SNova]

Are there just certain countries from which you would ban Muslims from coming from? Ones with a higher risk of their countrymen being terrorists? Or just all Muslims? For example, would you ban a British Muslim from going to America?

I would ban all. However, that is not Trumps position.

Never heard of it. So in answer, no. I wasn't referring to the liberal study you can't find, I was just stating that an incredibly minute ratio of Muslims are terrorist. Do you disagree?

Apologies. I misread your post.

I thought you wrote that most terrorists are not Muslim.

The problem is we are not just dealing with pure terrorism here. We are also dealing with opposing cultures.

 

[Seanjd]

I would ban all. However, that is not Trumps position.



Apologies. I misread your post.

I thought you wrote that most terrorists are not Muslim.

The problem is we are not just dealing with pure terrorism here. We are also dealing with opposing cultures.

I am by no means pro-religion, and I do not wave a flag which says Islam, or any religion, doesn't have huge flaws. And yes, I am skeptical of some parts of Islam, particularly how it is used to implement far-right oppressive practices in countries of high Muslim population.

However.

The vast majority of Muslims follow the religion because of cultural reasons and live peacefully by it. I have no idea which surveys your guy in the video was referring to throughout, because he not sourced where he was finding how many Muslims lived in those countries. I'd be interested to see them, though.

Muslims, Christians, Jews, and people of other religions, live peacefully all over the world. British Muslims are a British. American Muslims are American. They still belong to a country and follow the laws, the rules, the etiquettes and the ways of life of that country.

 

[Wizard]

Nope and no.

Yep, next time I hear of a terrorist attack it might be a Buddhist. Islamic terrorism is the most common.

Or are you referring to that study which excludes 9/11 and doesn't account for population percentage?

You're willing to risk your own people's lives for what supposed benefit exactly?

Explain these numbers and then tell me that Muslims are the biggest threat to American citizens

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/

 

[SNova]

Explain these numbers and then tell me that Muslims are the biggest threat to American citizens

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/

That's not an argument for increasing the risk of terrorism. And Switzerland have low crime rates despite having guns.

I'll repeat what I posted earlier. The government should not have the right to disarm law abiding people in my opinion.

Even if I did believe in gun control, I still would not advocate to take away guns. The only people who would willingly disarm themselves would be law abiding citizens. Which would lead to mostly criminals having guns.

 

[Wizard]

That's not an argument for increasing the risk of terrorism. And Switzerland have low crime rates despite having guns.

I'll repeat what I posted earlier. The government should not have the right to disarm law abiding people in my opinion.

Even if I did believe in gun control, I still would not advocate to take away guns. The only people who would willingly disarm themselves would be law abiding citizens. Which would lead to mostly criminals having guns.

Your first sentence makes no sense. If you believed in gun control you still wouldn't take away guns?

You've also dodged the more important issue here. Americans kill more Americans than Muslims or "terrorists" do

EDIT: Not first, third comment

 

[Seanjd]

It's a simple risk/benefit analysis. Europe should be used as an example to America of what not to do.

I'm assuming by what you wrote here that you would also like to see a ban of all Muslims in the UK as well?

 

[Seanjd]

I would ban all. However, that is not Trumps position.

What about the Muslims already in the USA? Would you be happy with just banning future immigration of Muslims, although the vast majority of Islamic terrorist is committed by American Muslims who were either born in the country or have lived in the country for a number of years?

Surely for all American's to be safe, you would also deport every Muslim who has already migrated in case they are also terrorists?

What about Muslims who were born in the USA? We need to stop those too. Perhaps you would lock them away?

These are all serious questions, all along the same lines as the blanket ban of Muslims immigrating.

 

[SNova]

What about the Muslims already in the USA? Would you be happy with just banning future immigration of Muslims, although the vast majority of Islamic terrorist is committed by American Muslims who were either born in the country or have lived in the country for a number of years?

Surely for all American's to be safe, you would also deport every Muslim who has already migrated in case they are also terrorists?

What about Muslims who were born in the USA? We need to stop those too. Perhaps you would lock them away?

These are all serious questions, all along the same lines as the blanket ban of Muslims immigrating.

I wouldn't have let Muslims immigrate to begin with. Certainly not in high numbers. But this is all just my opinion. I think that overall the two cultures will clash and people will suffer as a result.

There is a huge difference between simply denying entry and removing people by force.

I would strip the citizenship of those that leave to fight in Syria.

I do not strive for multiculturalism. I believe a nation should have one predominant culture which immigrants assimilate to.

 

[Goat]

I wouldn't have let Muslims immigrate to begin with. Certainly not in high numbers. But this is all just my opinion. I think that overall the two cultures will clash and people will suffer as a result.

There is a huge difference between simply denying entry and removing people by force.

I would strip the citizenship of those that leave to fight in Syria.

I do not strive for multiculturalism. I believe a nation should have one predominant culture which immigrants assimilate to.

Sweet Lord.

 

[Connor]

Sweet baby Jesus and the orphans

 

[SNova]

Your first sentence makes no sense. If you believed in gun control you still wouldn't take away guns?

You've also dodged the more important issue here. Americans kill more Americans than Muslims or "terrorists" do

EDIT: Not first, third comment

To be honest, I think in my post I explained my sentence. I did not dodge the question, I stated that despite having guns, Switzerland has a low crime rate.