Deja Vu

deipnosophist · February 9, 2014

steken1 said:
Question Lids!

Should we put all our energies into the cup at this point??

Or, is it too early to be thinking like that.

I'm not suggesting that's even possible for Bob to do BTW.

There's still 1/3 of the season to go!!!

Maestro Haze · February 10, 2014

Far too much negativity after today.

I do get some of the criticism aimed at Martinez and the lack of spending, no one is immune from criticism either.

There just isn't any value in the Jan Transfer Market, Martinez says we have money but would rather wait until the summer to spend it, if it is to be believed. I'm happy with that to be honest as it makes more sense. Maybe that's the wrong opinion to have but perhaps there wasn't anyone we could sign who we wanted to.
We can't just replace players who are injured, as much as we would of liked to have seen a new striker/CM.

He knows who he wants, and who he wants to get rid of, but he needs to time to do that, so I'm expecting a reshuffle in the summer and maybe some surprises. He deserves that opportunity but he said January wasn't the time to do that.

We do have players coming back now, look at our bench from the Spurs game, we look stronger, much stronger than we were when we played Stevenage/Liverpool.

And we are still in the mix, the midweek games could put us back in fifth just behind Liverpool if results go our way, so I don't see any need for panic, slight disappointment, yes, from losing today but a lot happier now than I was this time last season that's for sure.

marsh · February 10, 2014

I Blame Heitinga

Librarian · February 10, 2014

There's a war-chest of gold at the end of the rainbow

Arteta2391 · February 10, 2014

oh Everton

Huyton Layne · February 10, 2014

I hold Martinez fully responsible for getting our hopes up. This was a transition season. If we'd have started hot and cold and sat around 8th, people would have grumbled but accepted that he's a new manager and he's trying to play football a good way. Sadly for him and us, he did really well over the first half of the season. We got rogered from behind by injuries and have struggled for a few games while people get back to fitness and we don't seem to have much luck. The derby result is the only one that he got really wrong. Tried to play his game against them and it didn't work but Spurs and Arsenal have done the same too. Next few games when everyone gets up to full fitness, people start clicking again I can see us play the sexy football again and comfortably winning games we dominate. Love you Bobby. xx

D410 · February 10, 2014

Tubey said:
Having had time to reflect, my overwhelming emotion is one of disappointment.

I understand it's a side in transition and you'd have to be batpoop crazy to say Martinez isn't up to the job. But with that in mind the fact remains the chance was there to push on, a real, golden chance, yet again.

My concern is that there may be few of these chances left. I think we'll carry on being a decent side over the next few years, but let's be realistic - Tottenham will throw money at it when required, as will United and Liverpool. So our "rivals" will only ever have a dip in performance and it's up to us to then capitalise on it.

A £10m spend in January could have made the difference between 4th and 7th this year. £10m in the summer won't make a jot of difference whatsoever as we'll be outspent massively all over the place.

So yeah... disappointment, knowing the chance has probably gone, and knowing that it could be the last one.

I am fuming mate. Protecting bobby is one thing but letting the club hide behind that protection is flat wrong. The manager will do what he is told it,s up to the fanbase to call it out, not sweep it under the carpert till the next time we blow up. Some fans must think the transfer window comes along like the tooth fairy in the middle of the night and surpises everyone. The club took a gamble and thought that they could get away with it in Feb....well they were wrong big time.

In my eyes, Bobby covered for the club in jan and he is paying the price for not calling the club out on the lack of money and ambition to support the team for the rest of the season.

Bruce Wayne · February 10, 2014

Isn't that all a bit melodramatic?

D410 · February 10, 2014

Everton FC's shortage of strikers could cost us, warns Phil Jagielka

Seems somone at the club has finally spoke up.

MACCA75 · February 10, 2014

Didnt really upset me this year because we've done it several times before, so it was expected. Some people are naive enough to expect a £20 million plus spend in the summer, and the cycle goes on...

D410 · February 10, 2014

MACCA75 said:
Didnt really upset me this year because we've done it several times before, so it was expected. Some people are naive enough to expect a £20 million plus spend in the summer, and the cycle goes on...

The cycle will go on that,s for sure, it,s always a question of when we will blow up as our players break down.

daz4matty · February 10, 2014

Librarian said:
There's a war-chest of gold at the end of the rainbow

So true thanks billy boy I am now a happy clapper forever.

davek · February 10, 2014

I tell you what I heard in the full BBC post match interview yesterday (probably still on there now): Martinez for the first time in relation to a reversal talking about team's with greater amounts of cash. I thought that was very revealing about his state of mind. Like Moyes, Martinez came in early and gave the message out about it not all being about money. Must have been music to the ears of Kenwright and co. same as it was 11 years ago when Moyes tipped up. It sounds great, but when the moment of truth comes around and you are tantalisingly close to the breakthrough as he has been this season, and like his predecessor once or twice, the reality bites. You could see in interview yesterday how that loss really twisted the knife into Roberto.

As I've said before though, it is what it is until the mobsters are shown the door, and at least this time around we have some pretty attractive (and consistenty attractive) football to help the medicine go down. So I'm still chuffed we have Martinez, he's the cat's whiskers and all that. But he's in a dreamland if he thinks his oft-stated plan of making up the gap to the elite by tactical changes here and there, and by being positive in games against the big boys in one off games will see us through the glass ceiling. He's going to have to grow a big pair of gonnads this summer and take no flannel from his bosses. I dont think he'll let the experience of his own brief period in the company of these people (or his knowledge of what Moyes went through for all that time) go to waste. I think he'll draw the conclusions earlier than Moyes and act...at least I hope he will.

efcfanwirral · February 10, 2014

davek said:
I tell you what I heard in the full BBC post match interview yesterday (probably still on there now): Martinez for the first time in relation to a reversal talking about team's with greater amounts of cash. I thought that was very revealing about his state of mind. Like Moyes, Martinez came in early and gave the message out about it not all being about money. Must have been music to the ears of Kenwright and co. same as it was 11 years ago when Moyes tipped up. It sounds great, but when the moment of truth comes around and you are tantalisingly close to the breakthrough as he has been this season, and like his predecessor once or twice, the reality bites. You could see in interview yesterday how that loss really twisted the knife into Roberto.

As I've said before though, it is what it is until the mobsters are shown the door, and at least this time around we have some pretty attractive (and consistenty attractive) football to help the medicine go down. So I'm still chuffed we have Martinez, he's the cat's whiskers and all that. But he's in a dreamland if he thinks his oft-stated plan of making up the gap to the elite by tactical changes here and there, and by being positive in games against the big boys in one off games will see us through the glass ceiling. He's going to have to grow a big pair of gonnads this summer and take no flannel from his bosses. I dont think he'll let the experience of his own brief period in the company of these people (or his knowledge of what Moyes went through for all that time) go to waste. I think he'll draw the conclusions earlier than Moyes and act...at least I hope he will.

could that "act" be walking?

davek · February 10, 2014

efcfanwirral said:
could that "act" be walking?

I dont think he'll resign, I do think he'll be poached, though. If he did what Moyes did and gets us good league positions for a few seasons, but playing a more adventurous brand of football than Moyes achieved, he wouldn't be short of suitors from very good clubs at home and abroad. For that reason I dont think he'll be here anywhere near as long as Moyes.