JJK marking Harry Maguire
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JJK marking Harry Maguire
Osamabindiesel
Player Valuation: £60m
We have two aerially dominant CB’s getting clowned on set pieces. That speaks volumes.
Better teams often get away with it, but they also have better players overall and much better organization.
Better teams often get away with it, but they also have better players overall and much better organization.
scratchnsurf
Player Valuation: £40m
Wasn't it Mina who didn't win the first ball - the ball that went to Gregory? Not only did he not win it, but his challenge wasn't sufficient to prevent the Millwall player directing the ball exactly where he wanted. There's so much wrong with our defending.
Unfair to pick out Mina.
We defend set pcs poorly with or without him. Biggest culprit is the person who set this silly zonal defence with amateur instructions.
jimmythenut
Player Valuation: £8m
Not advocating zonal marking but technically we've been doing it for years. Lukaku, Cahill, Saha, Fellaini use to be decent at it. (marking the front post/attacking the ball)
They were often used as the man in space at the front Post to win that first ball/cross from a corner. We have some tall decent attackers of the ball you'd think one of them would be instructed to win that first ball. Not seeing this at all.
The others should be man on man with possibly one on a post. Always thought a mix of Zonal/man marking works best.
They were often used as the man in space at the front Post to win that first ball/cross from a corner. We have some tall decent attackers of the ball you'd think one of them would be instructed to win that first ball. Not seeing this at all.
The others should be man on man with possibly one on a post. Always thought a mix of Zonal/man marking works best.
billyblue80
Player Valuation: £70m
We seemed to get better at defending them then worse again how does that work? Now we are at a total nadir. The players don't seem to want to avoid free kicks, win first balls or clear up second balls. They have to be practising this every day. Surely to goodness they could get a Stubbs or Weir type in just to coach set pieces, the RS have a throw in coach!!
Hence why I started this thread on 25th August...
As I said, He's marking space originally. Cross comes in to the man who isn't in a 'zone' to be marked, he attempts to challenge the man when he was always now going to be hamstrung.
Mina is caught in two minds. He's following instruction/zonal originally, then opts to challenge but 2nd best by that point because his focus is never the man.
There was the argument we need to allow time for players to adjust to a change in style, but even the players we're signing for that system look clueless in it.
billyblue80
Player Valuation: £70m
No excuse for that but he had just got a foot injury may have been affecting hm could be why he came off not soon afterwards. Still the main point is none of them are dominant or spot danger.
Rudolf Hucker
Player Valuation: £30m
I’ve always been of the opinion that systems are just detail. What matters is the quality / attitude / belief of the players.
We could talk zonal vs man marking, 4-4-2 v 4-3-3 v 3-5-1-1, 10s v false nines or playing in the hole, oooer matron...
At the end of the day if you’ve got 11 players on the pitch with great touch who are switched on, OR have great belief/attitude/team spirit, they will make any system work.
Defending set pieces requires aggression, desire & ruthless winning attitude. I don’t see that in this squad. As I’ve said on other threads, I think the yellow streak starts in the boardroom & runs through the club.
We could talk zonal vs man marking, 4-4-2 v 4-3-3 v 3-5-1-1, 10s v false nines or playing in the hole, oooer matron...
At the end of the day if you’ve got 11 players on the pitch with great touch who are switched on, OR have great belief/attitude/team spirit, they will make any system work.
Defending set pieces requires aggression, desire & ruthless winning attitude. I don’t see that in this squad. As I’ve said on other threads, I think the yellow streak starts in the boardroom & runs through the club.
Exactly. We don’t pick out runners at setpcs anymore. All we’re doing is deploy players at a fix location without moving or tracking and expect each and everyone of them to defend his respective zone. A running leap is far superior compare to a standing leap and it’s no surprise we keep giving free header game after game.
He has effectively called out Mina in his echo interview. Along the lines of "for the first goal, I put my tallest defender on their target for the diagonal but he lost the header".
I must say, Zouma and Mina have both been dreadful aerially. The players literally look clueless. I can't actually believe they are bottling it and just don't fancy it. There's got to be more.
I must say, Zouma and Mina have both been dreadful aerially. The players literally look clueless. I can't actually believe they are bottling it and just don't fancy it. There's got to be more.
Every system including man to man has a player whose job is to defend the near post and attack the ball.
streeky
Player Valuation: £35m
If I was a centre forward playing against zonal I would go and plonk myself next to the smallest player in that area. I get what Silva is saying the players are not aggressive enough and we don’t attack the ball. Another problem we have is 6’2” centre mid who don’t even try to win an Ariel ball l in the box. Get the lad up field he is a liability. You only want your brave strong characters in the box from set peices not prima donnas.
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