So Moyes is responsible for every player who he could have improved but he left so they didn’t improve ?
Oh my what a bunkum puddle of illogical thinking
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Oh my what a bunkum puddle of illogical thinking
dannyboy
Player Valuation: £60m
What are you on about? I think Barkley really didn't benefit from being around Martinez. Didn't mention any other player.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Seeing the trouble Bolton are in now it makes me thankful every day this guy walked into our club.
We were on an absolute financial knife edge. Mortgaged up to our eye balls with vibrac loans. One wrong turn and we could have easily been where Bolton are now. No Moshiri, no new stadium, no dreams of European football, no Brazilian internationals. Had we taken a wrong turn at any point we could have gone down never to return.
Instead Moyes came in and as well as saving us from immediate trouble, took a squad of old men destined for relegation and on barely any money relative to his competition took us to regular European qualification. He also kept the bankers at the door by creating saleable assets on a regular basis for Kenwright. Lescott Arteta Rodwell all out the door with not much back through it, yet within a season we were back to making FA Cup semi finals and finishing top 7.
No other manager with a similar brief to what Moyes had can even come close to what he did over that period of time. We are where we are now purely down to a once in a generation manager who saved this club for decades to come.
Yet some revile him for not winning a trophy. Fools. Thank your lucky stars that none of the collection of frauds that have followed him rocked up at Goodison in 2002 otherwise we’d have been on the news reel with Bury if we’d have managed to survive this long.
We were on an absolute financial knife edge. Mortgaged up to our eye balls with vibrac loans. One wrong turn and we could have easily been where Bolton are now. No Moshiri, no new stadium, no dreams of European football, no Brazilian internationals. Had we taken a wrong turn at any point we could have gone down never to return.
Instead Moyes came in and as well as saving us from immediate trouble, took a squad of old men destined for relegation and on barely any money relative to his competition took us to regular European qualification. He also kept the bankers at the door by creating saleable assets on a regular basis for Kenwright. Lescott Arteta Rodwell all out the door with not much back through it, yet within a season we were back to making FA Cup semi finals and finishing top 7.
No other manager with a similar brief to what Moyes had can even come close to what he did over that period of time. We are where we are now purely down to a once in a generation manager who saved this club for decades to come.
Yet some revile him for not winning a trophy. Fools. Thank your lucky stars that none of the collection of frauds that have followed him rocked up at Goodison in 2002 otherwise we’d have been on the news reel with Bury if we’d have managed to survive this long.
We came closer to liquidation under Peter Johnson didn’t we?
alvinh
Player Valuation: £6m
That's bang on.
He consistently found value from the lower divisions. If there'd been just a relatively small amount of money to apply the finishing touches, ironically by buying someone to apply the finishing touch, he would've had a good shout at crashing sky's 'big 4' cartel.
It's a shame it ended on a sour note and he has to take some responsibility for that, but he needs to be judged over the full period of his time in charge.
Death
I'll take down dat coal powered MG, I tel u Hwat
It's why I'll never regret my Kenwright tattoo.
brieverton
Player Valuation: £50m
I suspect many more of us would have a gripe with him now if he had actually succeeded at United.
Failure is an orphan after all.
He can argue he was given the sack a little too hastily but from almost the first minute it seemed he never had what it takes to succeed at that level.
You can't argue with him taking the job, but it was always going to be supremely difficult for the first manager of the post-Ferguson era, and a succession of them have struggled since.
He perhaps did not choose his other clubs very wisely either.
I think he is a busted flush now, but I wish him well, he certainly left us in a far better state than when he arrived.
Failure is an orphan after all.
He can argue he was given the sack a little too hastily but from almost the first minute it seemed he never had what it takes to succeed at that level.
You can't argue with him taking the job, but it was always going to be supremely difficult for the first manager of the post-Ferguson era, and a succession of them have struggled since.
He perhaps did not choose his other clubs very wisely either.
I think he is a busted flush now, but I wish him well, he certainly left us in a far better state than when he arrived.
Think you are being slightly melodramatic. Moyes was afforded 11 years possibly down to Kenwright not being able to afford to sack another manager. Moyes was a boost for us initially but several times could have been justifiably sacked but Kenwright couldn't or wouldn't. He also lost the players at one period. Over those many a year he did stabilise us but only Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal where the only teams streets ahead of everyone else. We still spent on par with most of the leagues also clubs. I am not dissing Moyes but he didn't save the club, he didn't stop us doing a Bolton he did a job, an OK job and improved us to the extent of being OK. I would expect that of most managers if allowed 11 years of 'your job is safe regardless'. That is only my opinion of Moyes and have no agenda against him. He was a safe manager playing safe football under no pressure whatsoever.
T LEAFE
Player Valuation: £50m
A RS supporting Butcher
brieverton
Player Valuation: £50m
I would compare some of his time with us with Pochettino and the impact he has had at Spurs. Moyes never pushed though and got us over the line. Nearly never won a race. Of course some elements can't be compared but you can justifiably argue that once Moyes had stabilised us and had us on the fringes of Champions League, he ultimately failed and never pushed through the barrier at a time when realistically we "only" ever had Liverpool and Arsenal in our way for 4th. It seemed he perfected a system that was guaranteed to finish 5th/6th but no more, with the exception of 2004-05. It was actually very frustrating towards the end, seeing us in a good position in March only to be almost certain that we would be pipped in the finish.
Moyes sulked about our poverty, but as I see it these years were a massive missed opportunity albeit off the back of a very impressive recovery from the gutter to get us to a position where a top six finish was guaranteed year on year.
Might be a touch OTT, but I do think he deserves more credit than he gets sometimes
There's a concerted attempt by some in the fan base to talk down the job he did, but I think future years generations will view him more favourably
Agent Blue
Player Valuation: £10m
I fear Bolton and Bury
you only need fear for Bolton now, Bury are already toast. Absolutely horrible state of affairs.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Think some are judging him in the top half comfort that he created for us. There was nothing special about premier league Everton. We had no divine right to be in the league. Every other team outside of the top 5 has went down at least once since the prem started. Considering that we had nothing like the finances of the big 5 pre-Moshiri it’s pointless comparing us to them. So against everyone else we are the outlier that avoided a fate that almost certainly would have caused severe financial distress for us given the situation we were in. The only reason in my mind that we didn’t go down was because of Moyes. We were circling the drain before he took over and let’s face it Martinez and Koeman took a good run at it as well.
It’s laughable that anyone thinks Kenwright should have sacked Moyes. Laughable .
It’s laughable that anyone thinks Kenwright should have sacked Moyes. Laughable .
Agent Blue
Player Valuation: £10m
I fear Bolton and Bury will be a template of things to come in the football world because of the large amounts of cash washing round in the game now and the unscrupulous owners it attracts.
Moyes was a fantastic manager for us considering the financial constraints he had to deal with and not having managed at this level before, he did a brilliant job for us. Players like Coleman, Tim Cahill and Fellaini showed that we could recruit well even without a billionaire owner, although the rumours of Phillip Green being involved here left a really bad taste in the mouth.
The comments about Baines and Fellaini showed his fickle side and a complete disregard for the club that put him in the limelight, and yet I would still have him back here but not in a managerial capacity. If he could bring his eye for a bargain back here maybe we could employ him within the scouting network.
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