2025/26 David Moyes

[MACCA75]

*only full season, and without doubt a different feel, lash a 10 point deduction to us in November, with more to come, reduced to 6, with more to come to take to eventual 8 this season and we'd have been in a different feel/relegation scrap this season too before the final stretch.

In Dyches full season we were on 27 points at this point (or 35 without points deduction). So miles behind this season by any metric.

 

[Saint Domingo]

To be fair, is there a massive difference in style with Moyes, Dyche and Fat Sam?

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Think you might want to update the current manager in there or some spleens are going to pop

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

The future of Moyes entirely depends on TFG and their aspirations for the club. If they plan to actually chase success then Moyes has no future here. I won't shout for immediate change because they haven't done anything outrageously stupid yet that warrants me thinking they don't know what they're doing. They might have always planned for him to see out his contract before going elsewhere.

So with all that being said, I'm willing to give them until the end of 26-27 before I demand change. Moyes has one last season to change my mind (he'd have to win a cup, a derby and a bunch of other big games for me to even consider it). I don't have the slightest belief that he will but I'm willing to give him next season because despite the fact that he's a tedious, cowardly bore, he's earned it. He kept us safe from a relegation scrap last season after Dyche downed tools and left us high and dry, this season he's lead us to our first non-nightmere season in half a decade, where we still have an outside chance of Europe. For all his faults and clear limitations, its a clear improvement. Nothing he's done is a stackable offence.

 

[davek]

To be fair, is there a massive difference in style with Moyes, Dyche and Fat Sam?

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I think you'd see a huge difference in one stat: 'carries' or 'dribbles' - or whatever term they use.

We've seen a remarkable increase (especially when Grealish and KDH were added to the squad to contribute to that with Ndiaye) in us getting on the ball and holding onto it - so 'possession' doesn't pick up on that.

Of course Moyes uses that tactic because he cant coach a passing game, so it's a necessity rather than a choice.

 

[Drico]

The future of Moyes entirely depends on TFG and their aspirations for the club. If they plan to actually chase success then Moyes has no future here. I won't shout for immediate change because they haven't done anything outrageously stupid yet that warrants me thinking they don't know what they're doing. They might have always planned for him to see out his contract before going elsewhere.

So with all that being said, I'm willing to give them until the end of 26-27 before I demand change. Moyes has one last season to change my mind (he'd have to win a cup, a derby and a bunch of other big games for me to even consider it). I don't have the slightest belief that he will but I'm willing to give him next season because despite the fact that he's a tedious, cowardly bore, he's earned it. He kept us safe from a relegation scrap last season after Dyche downed tools and left us high and dry, this season he's lead us to our first non-nightmere season in half a decade, where we still have an outside chance of Europe. For all his faults and clear limitations, its a clear improvement. Nothing he's done is a stackable offence.

This is precisely my view, too. I hope we move on as soon as possible. While I wouldn't sack him in principle, I worry that going into his final year as a lame duck will give the players an excuse to down tools when the time comes. And unless he gets Europe, I see no legitimate reason to extend him. Therefore, I think we have a problem that would in my view only be solved by European qualification. Because extending him for finishing 11th and failing to develop the youth isn't really a recipe for anything other than early cup exits and derby defeats 12 months from now.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

In Dyches full season we were on 27 points at this point (or 35 without points deduction). So miles behind this season by any metric.

Your point was;

I think Dyches last full season was a lot worse than people remember it. I think we had four wins on the trot right at the very end, and it put a different complexion on what was a dreadful season for the most part - only pulling clear of relegation in the last 5 games.

Obviously last season we were right in the relegation mix until Moyes came in too, so this season has a completely different feel.

I replied saying yes, different feel this season, but lash a 10 point deduction in and we'd have been in a relegation fight this season too "only pulling clear in the last X games". That's the black and white of it too, not factoring in the pressure a relegation fight inevitable takes.

We can't start excluding runs of games because they dont fit a narrative - its partly why I think full seasons matter, because as you reference there - things can change and quick put a different complexion.

 

[MikeH72]

To be fair, is there a massive difference in style with Moyes, Dyche and Fat Sam?

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Well thank god that’s completely inaccurate and our current manager isn’t him.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

This is precisely my view, too. I hope we move on as soon as possible. While I wouldn't sack him in principle, I worry that going into his final year as a lame duck will give the players an excuse to down tools when the time comes. And unless he gets Europe, I see no legitimate reason to extend him. Therefore, I think we have a problem that would in my view only be solved by European qualification. Because extending him for finishing 11th and failing to develop the youth isn't really a recipe for anything other than early cup exits and derby defeats 12 months from now.

I agree, he should probably go in the summer if we miss out on Europe. It would just be delaying the inevitable to keep him otherwise. In fairness to Moyes though, I've got to say that I have confidence that he'd be extremely professional regardless of it being his final season. I don't believe that he'd ever do a Dyche and down tools regardless of it being obvious that he was as good as gone.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

The future of Moyes entirely depends on TFG and their aspirations for the club. If they plan to actually chase success then Moyes has no future here. I won't shout for immediate change because they haven't done anything outrageously stupid yet that warrants me thinking they don't know what they're doing. They might have always planned for him to see out his contract before going elsewhere.

So with all that being said, I'm willing to give them until the end of 26-27 before I demand change. Moyes has one last season to change my mind (he'd have to win a cup, a derby and a bunch of other big games for me to even consider it). I don't have the slightest belief that he will but I'm willing to give him next season because despite the fact that he's a tedious, cowardly bore, he's earned it. He kept us safe from a relegation scrap last season after Dyche downed tools and left us high and dry, this season he's lead us to our first non-nightmere season in half a decade, where we still have an outside chance of Europe. For all his faults and clear limitations, its a clear improvement. Nothing he's done is a stackable offence.

Problem is you don't want uncertainty about the managers position going into his last year of his contract. I think either TFG back him with a new deal in the summer or move him on for a new manager and a new chapter

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Problem is you don't want uncertainty about the managers position going into his last year of his contract. I think either TFG back him with a new deal in the summer or move him on for a new manager and a new chapter

He definitely hasn't done enough to warrant a new deal. He's done a fine job stabilising the club after a terrible period of instability, and I'm greatful for that, but he's not someone I want leading us into the future. The last thing we need is a Kenwright avatar for the next four years. If the choice is between severing ties now or him staying for an extention then I'd sooner take a risk on the unknown.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

He definitely hasn't done enough to warrant a new deal. He's done a fine job stabilising the club after a terrible period of instability, and I'm greatful for that, but he's not someone I want leading us into the future. The last thing we need is a Kenwright avatar for the next four years. If the choice is between severing ties now or him staying for an extention then I'd sooner take a risk on the unknown.

I totally agree. If it was my decision I'd move him on and look for a manager who will work with our transfer department more in unison with the intent of building us with the long-term in mind. It's obviously a risk and I can understand why some fans prefer the security that Moyes brings but like you say if we're serious about competing at the sharp end like Villa for example we have to move away from the safety first and cautious natured manager that Moyes is

 

[Lanolin]

Problem is you don't want uncertainty about the managers position going into his last year of his contract. I think either TFG back him with a new deal in the summer or move him on for a new manager and a new chapter

That's where the issue is for me. Moyes definitely doesn't deserve the sack, and ordinarily i'd say the idea of changing manager after a season like this one (in context) would be ridiculous, but I am slightly wary of the contract situation. I think keeping Moyes beyond the end of next season is effectively just committing ourselves to being a fairly dull midtable team for the long term and would herald the end of any remaining hope of aiming for more than that, but having him in control of transfers and managing young players when he has no long term investment to worry about and seeing how the whole West Ham contract situation panned out with him is also a concern. I don't think TFG will move him on at this point regardless, but I can't really decide whether i'm on board with that or not.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

That's where the issue is for me. Moyes definitely doesn't deserve the sack, and ordinarily i'd say the idea of changing manager after a season like this one (in context) would be ridiculous, but I am slightly wary of the contract situation. I think keeping Moyes beyond the end of next season is effectively just committing ourselves to being a fairly dull midtable team for the long term and would herald the end of any remaining hope of aiming for more than that, but having him in control of transfers and managing young players when he has no long term investment to worry about and seeing how the whole West Ham contract situation panned out with him is also a concern. I don't think TFG will move him on at this point regardless, but I can't really decide whether i'm on board with that or not.

Totally what I feel too Lanolin. Superbly articulated

 

[Bedfordblue]

Problem is you don't want uncertainty about the managers position going into his last year of his contract. I think either TFG back him with a new deal in the summer or move him on for a new manager and a new chapter

Aren’t the only clubs he’s not been fired out a cannon and got to the last year of his contract here and WHU (v2.0) and in both instances his contract was run down resulting in uncertainty? - obv here he was under orders from Sir Whiskey Nose and WHU they withdrew their offer after his dithering.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

Aren’t the only clubs he’s not been fired out a cannon and got to the last year of his contract here and WHU (v2.0) and in both instances his contract was run down resulting in uncertainty? - obv here he was under orders from Sir Whiskey Nose and WHU they withdrew their offer after his dithering.

That is correct. Good leadership requires decisive decision making. Let's hope TFG are decisive