2025/26 David Moyes

[TheBigIguana]

Thats called patience.. You gradually progress your distance without hampering yourself by trying it all at once.

You basically just summarised everything in one post.

Read it back mate and take note.
It's a process, not an instant.

Read all my posts. I’m offering him the pathway that involves patience. The pathway he’s choosing does not get patience.

 

[Swartzy]

Read all my posts. I’m offering him the pathway that involves patience. The pathway he’s choosing does not get patience.

"You're offering him the pathway"

you do make me laugh sometimes (and that's not me being sarcastic, before offense is taken..

 

[Clarky cat]

Read all my posts. I’m offering him the pathway that involves patience. The pathway he’s choosing does not get patience.

Are you going to press CTRL, ALT and DELETE if he ignores you?

 

[carolinablue232]

Sure. That’s totally fine. I think my point though is if that’s the choice we make he has to pull it off. Or this whole season is a waste. And then why should the manager stay?

It’s not a waste. We’ve been on the brink of relegation for years. Boring and stable is a logical step. I know you’re saying we have to focus on development too, but it has to be balanced with not dragging ourselves down the table. Results are king.

 

[Zatara]

Yes, you're obviously right.

We should piss and moan if we don't get Europe this year.

Very reasonable to expect us to go from relegation favourites to Europe in 12 months. He doesn't deserve patience.

Ambition.

No mate you just pretend none of that is factor anymore, stick your fingers in the ear and repeat "Top ten or Europe or he has to be sacked!!!!!"


Otherwise you have no ambition.

The manager chose the summer signings.

The manager has chosen to use players out of position.

The manager has chosen an 'older' profile of players and not even played his 3 youngest signings.

There we are with injury prone targets and having signed Rohl. We absolutely need to get 8th to attract better players and improve the profile of the club.

If not then he'll have wasted a lot of money on players and wasted alot of development potential.

Those who expect Europe from this squad are mainly those who think Moyes isn’t good enough.

Ironic really as the only reason we may possibly get Europe is because we have a manager capable of extracting more from these players.

This squad is around 13/14 best in the league. Good enough to not get relegated imho, but one that off the back of a couple bad results would be looking over our shoulder.

If we get European football it’s because the manager has exceeded the squads ability.

For what it’s worth, I think we’ll finish 10/12 and I would mark that up as a good transitional season. We have been relegation battlers, like it or not over the past five years. This would represent progress.

Of course Moyes is "good enough".

League position alone doesnt determine progress.

The oldest team in the league will be a year older next season.

 

[Efcjake]

The manager chose the summer signings.

The manager has chosen to use players out of position.

The manager has chosen an 'older' profile of players and not even played his 3 youngest signings.

There we are with injury prone targets and having signed Rohl. We absolutely need to get 8th to attract better players and improve the profile of the club.

If not then he'll have wasted a lot of money on players and wasted alot of development potential.



Of course Moyes is "good enough".

League position alone doesnt determine progress.

The oldest team in the league will be a year older next season.

I do question how much he wanted them and how much they were the best available that would consider signing.

I don't think we need to get 8th or it's a waste of money, each individual player proves that themselves.

 

[Zatara]

I do question how much he wanted them and how much they were the best available that would consider signing.

I don't think we need to get 8th or it's a waste of money, each individual player proves that themselves.

You cant prove this if youre not on the pitch.

Then if youre on the pitch he'll probably use them out of position.

Where would we be now if KDH was used as an 8 all season? Probaby would be sitting in 16th if he'd kept him at 10.

What about Alcaraz being misused &Aznou + Dibling not played.

He needs 8th and 10th is at best passable.

Summer we need to pay £17.5mil for Merlin Rohl

 

[Zatara]

@hetion Inigo Perez was a great shout.

 

[TheBigIguana]

"You're offering him the pathway"

you do make me laugh sometimes (and that's not me being sarcastic, before offense is taken..

I’m just talking from a discussion standpoint haha, I’m aware that I clearly have no say in what actually happens

 

[TheBigIguana]

It’s not a waste. We’ve been on the brink of relegation for years. Boring and stable is a logical step. I know you’re saying we have to focus on development too, but it has to be balanced with not dragging ourselves down the table. Results are king.

There’s a balance. The results shouldn’t impact decisions

 

[Efcjake]

You cant prove this if youre not on the pitch.

Then if youre on the pitch he'll probably use them out of position.

Where would we be now if KDH was used as an 8 all season? Probaby would be sitting in 16th if he'd kept him at 10.

What about Alcaraz being misused &Aznou + Dibling not played.

He needs 8th and 10th is at best passable.

Summer we need to pay £17.5mil for Merlin Rohl

I don't disagree with most of this except for that he only likely needs to finish at or above last year's position probably to see out his final year.

 

[Efcjake]

There’s a balance. The results shouldn’t impact decisions

But they do impact budgets and whether better players will want to sign for us next summer.

 

[TheBigIguana]

But they do impact budgets and whether better players will want to sign for us next summer.

I think this is a misconception tbh. There are players who will be swayed, fair, but that won’t prevent us from finding good players and finding players who represent good value for what the outlay would be.

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

No, no, no...how could 72 be the best when it's...erm...our highest ever points total in the PL?

No, you're right, we should use a different metric...what would you suggest...number of long balls played in a season perhaps?

Personally I'd use the metric of our highest ever PL finish. Which is 4th, under Moyes, not 5th under Martinez.

You'd have to be daft as a brush or a proper 'kin divvy not to agree.

Everyone can see that.

 

[WA Toffee]

Well he should win more matches then!

I promise this is very fair. The manager can play to win matches in the present tense and actually do that and get us Europe.

Or the manager can take a longer view and while still trying to win every week also rotate players, experiment with lineups, get minutes for players who might develop in those minutes and work to generally improve the level of play of the team both in and out of possession. At which point he deserves some leeway on results.

I can’t imagine something more fair than that. He literally gets to choose!

I don't think I agree that this very fair.

You need to remember where we were when Moyes came in. We were potentially heading towards the championship, and that is the base point you need to judge him against.

To say that someone who takes over a team fighting relegation, and doesn't qualify for Europe the next season has failed, is quite frankly, ridiculous.

I agree with you that Moyes has to make a choice over whether to prioritise results or squad development (every manager in the world has that decision to make), but to say that qualifying for Europe in his first full season is the line between success and failure? Nah, I'm not having that.