2025/26 David Moyes

[evertony]

rio ferdinand and Phil Jagielka have both had to put the gloves on in a match and have both made penalty saves. In such a situation, do you want your expanded bench to have the final straw GK to come on for you or is risking it all for the sake of including some 20 year old sort of midfielder that likely wont play unless we're 4-0 up.
With the state of the dead ball tactics currently, and the rushing of goal keepers during the dead ball deliveries, I can see a GK injured in a game this season.

I imagine statistics over the entirety of the Premier League will show that the chances of a keeper going off injured is highly, highly unlikely. Glad Moyes has at least two on the bench 'just in case' though.

 

[JelavicBrate2]

I think they probably take a lot of cocaine and drink lots of Stella certainly helps them be this stupid in real life.

Don't think its got anything to do with Stella or Cocaine and everything to do with social media. People just adopt extreme positions and say things they wouldn't say in public. People tended to a more guarded before social media. In past fans understood players have an off day, nowadays with players being robotic and having zero personality, fans can't accept that anymore. Even Guardiolas Barca didn't play well every game and were poor. Also people want everything instant and want perfection in every aspect of life.

 

[evertony]

He did very well in his first stint and is continuing that in his second. I genuinely can't think of anyone better qualified to build the team up for long-term success. It's all very well pointing out weak spots but he is simply an exemplary gaffer of a kind that has pretty much disappeared from the game. He's an actual manager rather than just a head coach. He is also reasonably collaborative and is open to new ideas.

We'll miss him when he retires.

Any thoughts as to why they've disappeared from the game and there's only David and Sean left?

 

[Swartzy]

Don't think its got anything to do with Stella or Cocaine and everything to do with social media. People just adopt extreme positions and say things they wouldn't say in public. People tended to a more guarded before social media. In past fans understood players have an off day, nowadays with players being robotic and having zero personality, fans can't accept that anymore. Even Guardiolas Barca didn't play well every game and were poor. Also people want everything instant and want perfection in every aspect of life.

Perfect

There is still alot of good sensible lads in the game though, not everyone has drifted yet..

 

[DualityNSNO]

He did very well in his first stint and is continuing that in his second. I genuinely can't think of anyone better qualified to build the team up for long-term success. It's all very well pointing out weak spots but he is simply an exemplary gaffer of a kind that has pretty much disappeared from the game. He's an actual manager rather than just a head coach. He is also reasonably collaborative and is open to new ideas.

David Moyes?!?

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

David Moyes?!?

Yeah - to people whose opinions he actually respects!

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Any thoughts as to why they've disappeared from the game and there's only David and Sean left?

The functions of a manager are being atomised over many roles but I still think a good manager can outperform. Guys like Ferguson, etc didn't succeed for nothing. With loads of different voices you spread the load but also you end up with a lack of accountability. Head coaches get blamed for crap recruitment when its another team that did all the buying!

 

[DualityNSNO]

Yeah - to people whose opinions he actually respects!

So seemingly that's just about no one then.

 

[Lobworm]

He did very well in his first stint and is continuing that in his second. I genuinely can't think of anyone better qualified to build the team up for long-term success. It's all very well pointing out weak spots but he is simply an exemplary gaffer of a kind that has pretty much disappeared from the game. He's an actual manager rather than just a head coach. He is also reasonably collaborative and is open to new ideas.

We'll miss him when he retires.

Can't disagree in some ways mate, he's clearly got lots of good attributes, although it boils down to what success looks like, and what we think Everton are capable of achieving?

Everton were 4th in terms of league titles when he joined, and had fairly recently won the FA Cup, personally I'd argue four European qualifications and an FA Cup final in 11 years, wasn't that great.

Yes there were times we played some good stuff, but long term success? I've seen nothing to suggest he's capable of that. It's been 30 years without a pot, and he's been in charge for over a third of that time.

 

[bicycleheader]

Can't disagree in some ways mate, he's clearly got lots of good attributes, although it boils down to what success looks like, and what we think Everton are capable of achieving?

Everton were 4th in terms of league titles when he joined, and had fairly recently won the FA Cup, personally I'd argue four European qualifications and an FA Cup final in 11 years, wasn't that great.

Yes there were times we played some good stuff, but long term success? I've seen nothing to suggest he's capable of that. It's been 30 years without a pot, and he's been in charge for over a third of that time.

he’s had more than long enough with us and I don’t think anybody can complain when he is ushered out the door in the summer. Most managers struggle to get two seasons at any club

 

[hetion]

He did very well in his first stint and is continuing that in his second. I genuinely can't think of anyone better qualified to build the team up for long-term success. It's all very well pointing out weak spots but he is simply an exemplary gaffer of a kind that has pretty much disappeared from the game. He's an actual manager rather than just a head coach. He is also reasonably collaborative and is open to new ideas.

We'll miss him when he retires.

Maybe in a previous era.

This isn't a knock on him, it takes incredible quality as a manager to be premier league level for 20 odd years. But the game has changed so, so much in those decades and you simply do not see managers like him taking teams to the next level anymore.

With finances the way they are now, one of the top 3 attributes you'd look for in a manager with that brief is how they bring through youth. And Moyes basically... doesn't. No mid-table club can afford to buy an XI of prime-age CL level players, so your *only* option is to develop them. Good luck doing that with a manager who has given 1 start to a teenager in 5 years.

 

[davek]

So by that logic you’d prefer us to finish 2nd with 100 than 1st with 95.

No, but winning a trophy is different.

What's that old saying....first is everything, second is nowhere.

4th and 5th arguments are just differences over winning nothing.

At least with points totals we can gain an idea of the capabilities of a team if built on.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Maybe in a previous era.

This isn't a knock on him, it takes incredible quality as a manager to be premier league level for 20 odd years. But the game has changed so, so much in those decades and you simply do not see managers like him taking teams to the next level anymore.

With finances the way they are now, one of the top 3 attributes you'd look for in a manager with that brief is how they bring through youth. And Moyes basically... doesn't. No mid-table club can afford to buy an XI of prime-age CL level players, so your *only* option is to develop them. Good luck doing that with a manager who has given 1 start to a teenager in 5 years.

He's developed loads - Pickford, Rice, Bowen to name a few. Then you have to include guys like Baines, Pienaar, Arteta, Fellaini, etc. Even guys like Arnautovic and Antonio played their best football due to how he tweaked their roles.

Sure, he's careful with bringing youth through, but that is largely for their own good. Buying players and helping them raise their levels to unforeseen heights is also a sign of good coaching. He managed to run a profitable ship despite a ridiculous lack of investment under Kenwright. He'll surely be able to do similar this time around.

 

[davek]

He's developed loads - Pickford, Rice, Bowen to name a few. Then you have to include guys like Baines, Pienaar, Arteta, Fellaini, etc. Even guys like Arnautovic and Antonio played their best football due to how he tweaked their roles.

Sure, he's careful with bringing youth through, but that is largely for their own good. Buying players and helping them raise their levels to unforeseen heights is also a sign of good coaching. He managed to run a profitable ship despite a ridiculous lack of investment under Kenwright. He'll surely be able to do similar this time around.

Lol.

 

[Tipp blue]

No, but winning a trophy is different.

What's that old saying....first is everything, second is nowhere.

4th and 5th arguments are just differences over winning nothing.

At least with points totals we can gain an idea of the capabilities of a team if built on.

And of potentially of course tens of millions of pounds..