2025/26 David Moyes

[Delargeinho]

Can't disagree in some ways mate, he's clearly got lots of good attributes, although it boils down to what success looks like, and what we think Everton are capable of achieving?

Everton were 4th in terms of league titles when he joined, and had fairly recently won the FA Cup, personally I'd argue four European qualifications and an FA Cup final in 11 years, wasn't that great.

Yes there were times we played some good stuff, but long term success? I've seen nothing to suggest he's capable of that. It's been 30 years without a pot, and he's been in charge for over a third of that time.

1995 to 2002 is still a long time....

No arguing that a trophy is the biggest thing in football to win, but don't forget how bad the 90s were otherwise coming from the 80s. Relegation battle was the majority. We finished 13th on average from 90/91 to 00/01 with 48 points on average, which is about exactly where Everton landed the last 2 seasons. The seasons under Moyes didn't bring a trophy, but 8th and 56 points on average.

The 5 years ban came in the worst moment for Everton and therefore we missed the chance to get international revenue and gain reputation to get another Linekers and so on, that's sure. We clearly missed to jump on the train to make us a financial power in the 90s by being to anxious too conservative and not adapting to the changing market it's a lack of ambition in the end, also had no one like Jack Walker that was willing to spend.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

We clearly missed to jump on the train to make us a financial power in the 90s by being to anxious too conservative and not adapting to the changing market it's a lack of ambition in the end, also had no one like Jack Walker that was willing to spend.

Clearly the biggest issue. Chelsea are where they are today as Abramovic was happy to chuck money at them for no return as it was his toy.

 

[Toffeepot]

He has done really well this last year. However as has been pointed out elsewhere, he has been at Everton for well over a decade, without actually winning anything. The naysayers have doubts as to whether he can win a cup at Everton, based on that previous decade.

He needs to win something, anything, and soon.

Yea, I'd love him to win something too.
Right now I'm comparing him to our recent past, not 15 years ago, but I would still take Moyes Mk1 over our recent past any day of the week
I'm enjoying looking up the table for a change, winning away for a change

Right now I'm really happy with him, but of course we need to keep pushing upward, a trophy being a priority

He will lose a lot of my goodwill if he rolls out a weakened team for the cup again. That has to be the priority and he should know that.

He's not the Moysiah yet, but neither is he a very naughty boy

 

[Rita_Poon]

Martinez for Villa injured in the warm up tonight.

Small world.

 

[mmmmsnouts]

He will lose a lot of my goodwill if he rolls out a weakened team for the cup again. That has to be the priority and he should know that.

The first two or three FA Cup games take the place of league games on the schedule, so there should be no reason to do that unless they drew an absolute minnow like Weston-super-Mare. Carabao Cup is all midweek fixtures until the final, which puts much more strain on the squad.

 

[Tel001]

No, no, no...how could 72 be the best when it's...erm...our highest ever points total in the PL?

No, you're right, we should use a different metric...what would you suggest...number of long balls played in a season perhaps?

How about using league placement dave … like everyone else in the world .

 

[Tel001]

Which varies depending each season.

i.e. Moyes' best season was 65 points but got 4th; Martinez's best season was 72 points and we got 5th.

The points won is the constant.

Dave … please tell me what benefits you get by achieving a 5th place finish that you don’t get from finishing 4th?

Why is 5th place our best ever prem season when we have finished 4th and had the opportunity to get into the CL ?

Surely CL qualification is better than Europa qualification?

More money…. Attract better players… play better teams , more league placing money …

How is 5th better than 4th?


Hypothetical question dave ….

This season … would you rather finish 4th on 65 points or 5th on 72?

 

[Tel001]

So by that logic you’d prefer us to finish 2nd with 100 than 1st with 95.

There is no need for even hypothetical scenarios

He is openly saying that 5th on 72 would be his preference over 4th with 61 ….

 

[Tel001]

No, but winning a trophy is different.

What's that old saying....first is everything, second is nowhere.

4th and 5th arguments are just differences over winning nothing.

At least with points totals we can gain an idea of the capabilities of a team if built on.

One gains you the opportunity to play in the CL and one doesn’t …

So it’s not as if there isn’t a significant difference between the two …

If second place is nothing then finishing 17th last season would be the same as finishing 2nd right?

 

[Saint Domingo]

If we could get 7- 9 points from the next 5 that would put us in a great position at the halfway point. 30 points would be excellent considering there’s been some patches of rough form and we’ve had Branthwaite and Rohl basically missing the entire season.

Any talk of ‘making sure we stay up’ would surely be gone from Moyes at that point and he could have a good go in the second half of the season with the returning players to try and push for Europe.