2025/26 David Moyes

[davek]

I really don’t understand the vitriol against Moyes, he has produced our best teams in the last 30 years.

So he tried to improve his own personal situation, honestly who would not do the same? So he tried it on to get some trusted players, who wouldn’t?

Of course he does some things wrong, we all do, but football is so much better than it was under any of our last few managers. Give the bloke a decent chance, if you can’t say something nice, probably wiser to say nothing at all.

You left out calling fans a disgrace for protesting against the Kenwright regime which was set up - as he KNEW - to serve Bill Kenwright's interests and not Everton's; you also left out that he called Everton fans a disgrace for giving him stick after he'd rubbished the club over his bids for Baines and Fellaini.

Any man who calls Everton fans out as a disgrace is never going to be forgiven by any Evertonian with an ounce of dignity and pride.

We chased off Kenright, Baxendale, Sharp etc for doing less.

That's the moral case against him - and it's airtight and should never even need to be restated.

The material argument against him is that he's a mediocre manager who'll never have the balls to win big games.

That game last night became a free hit for Moyes as it had turned into a circus act and he'd never be blamed by the media with 10 men and 80 minutes to go. The plan to grab a goal and sit behind the ball scrapping away is not something that will ever be replicated again...those very rarified circumstances of the sending off never will be replicated again. And what we need is a manager who is stratigcally and tactically at the races in every normal game when it's 11 v 11.

Moyes isn't that man, and he never will be.

 

[davek]

Disagree entirely fella

I accept that. We should all be able to disagree without it turning into name calling.

 

[summerisle]

One sending off doesn't make a summer. Let's see how the season pans out before handing out the laurels. Saying that, it was a fantastic effort last night.

 

[TheBigIguana]

That great team Bournemouth who are 1 point ahead of us. Jesus. Football clubs aren't blank slates. Everton have a load of historic issues to undo which Bournemouth don't.

Everton having new owners take over at the same time their financial issues go away with a large portion of the squad out of contract or soon to be out of contract and no commitment to a manager is quite literally as close to a blank slate as we could have possibly gotten.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Do you realize at this stage , Aston Villa is fourth in the standings and they're only 3 points above us? So we're not just drifting in lower table purgatory at the moment. Acquire some awareness it might avert moments where you launch into outlandish tirades

There are 10 clubs much better than us currently (Villa not being one funny enough)

 

[TheBigIguana]

Although I agree with some of your sentiment Everton aren’t a Bournemouth, Brighton or Brentford. Look at Frank at Tottenham for example. He is clearly a knowledgeable and level headed guy but he is finding out how difficult it is to manage a club that size with a higher ceiling of player. That also goes for the players on the pitch. When things are going well they are on the crest of a wave but things don’t go well they require a different character to push through as well as the manager. I think Moyes and the players are doing ok at the minute. Yes we could do better but we could be a lot worse too. We all want trophies and European football but a bit of patience is in order at the moment. Considering we haven’t had Branthwaite for the season and haven’t had a right back and striker troubles we aren’t doing too badly.

The problem with the patience viewpoint is the team is the oldest in the division and the manager is one of the older ones as well. We’re starting Keane, Tarkowski, Gana and Grealish every week. This isn’t a patience setup. This is a get it done today setup.

There’s a way to finish 11th that is thrilling and exciting for what is to come and there’s a way to do it that’s a bit more dreary and we’re doing the more dreary one.

 

[Groucho]

That great team Bournemouth who are 1 point ahead of us. Jesus. Football clubs aren't blank slates. Everton have a load of historic issues to undo which Bournemouth don't.

Also, sacking managers left right and centre since Moyes’ first spell is a large part of what got us in a mess in the first place.

 

[MikeH72]

I jumped up when the goal went in but I'll be honest the second half did little for me. Backs to the wall scraping a result to move us from 14th to 11th? I've done that enough. I get the circumstances were what they were, but I go back to what I said. What is the goal here? And then I guess following on from that, how are we going to achieve that? I don't see it right now even a little bit.

How’s Jesse Marsch getting on buddy?

 

[TheBigIguana]

How’s Jesse Marsch getting on buddy?

He will be managing at the World Cup. Have you heard of it?

 

[preposterousvelios]

I accept that. We should all be able to disagree without it turning into name calling.

 

[Drago]

You left out calling fans a disgrace for protesting against the Kenwright regime which was set up - as he KNEW - to serve Bill Kenwright's interests and not Everton's; you also left out that he called Everton fans a disgrace for giving him stick after he'd rubbished the club over his bids for Baines and Fellaini.

Any man who calls Everton fans out as a disgrace is never going to be forgiven by any Evertonian with an ounce of dignity and pride.

We chased off Kenright, Baxendale, Sharp etc for doing less.

That's the moral case against him - and it's airtight and should never even need to be restated.

The material argument against him is that he's a mediocre manager who'll never have the balls to win big games.

That game last night became a free hit for Moyes as it had turned into a circus act and he'd never be blamed by the media with 10 men and 80 minutes to go. The plan to grab a goal and sit behind the ball scrapping away is not something that will ever be replicated again...those very rarified circumstances of the sending off never will be replicated again. And what we need is a manager who is stratigcally and tactically at the races in every normal game when it's 11 v 11.

Moyes isn't that man, and he never will be.

I broadly agree with you here.

But instead of making youself look ridiculous all day, enjoy the win until we are brought back down to earth on Saturday.

You make visiting this forum incredibly tedious.

 

[Benicetoourboys]

Don't like doing it but I've had to put Davek on ignore along with that other WUM.
Not that anyone cares!

 

[MikeH72]

He will be managing at the World Cup. Have you heard of it?

Oh massive congratulations to him, only the cream of the crop managers could beat Nicaragua and Cuba to progress to a tournament to play 3 games in it.

 

[Swartzy]

Last night was a mad house where just about anything could have happened if you completely throw the usual game plan out. That's how we won.

This was not a well thought out plan to beat United at OT with 11 v 11 in a usual game.

Anyone believing Moyes has turned a corner with a master tacticians stroke and we get a newer bolder Moyes now are letting their giddiness at an unexpected 3 points get the better of their judgement.

Sometimes you just fall on the right approach, prepared tactics are removed from the situation, it's how you deal with what's left in front of you.

KDH moved back inline with Garner, which gave him a more open pitch infront of him, jack pulled back to basically cover as a wing back, Illy was Illy, Pickford was Pickford, the defense was solid and Barry put in a 10/10 performance compared to how he started with us.

Moyes kept that structure without any 'jump the ship' changes.
His subs were perfectly timed and perfectly chosen.

Tactics during a normally inevitable collapse after what happened were spot on.

"Credit where credit's Due"

 

[preposterousvelios]

The problem with the patience viewpoint is the team is the oldest in the division and the manager is one of the older ones as well. We’re starting Keane, Tarkowski, Gana and Grealish every week. This isn’t a patience setup. This is a get it done today setup.

There’s a way to finish 11th that is thrilling and exciting for what is to come and there’s a way to do it that’s a bit more dreary and we’re doing the more dreary one.

The patient/slow approach to me is what you're suggesting. You want us to be a selling club, that has players for a couple of seasons before moving them on to a CL club.

This may be a good strategy for clubs like Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth but we are not them. These are all tinpot clubs, who are over achieving without ever actually achieving anything meaningful. They've hit the ceiling of what they can do and we are aiming higher than that.

We're a bigger club, with better infrastructure, bigger financial backing. Everton fans with any common sense should have higher aspirations than functioning as a feeder club for the sky 6. We have a decent January and a strong summer window and we absolutely leapfrog those clubs next season, as we should.