2025/26 David Moyes

[Marcus Kendall]

It's kind of comical for us to judge Carlo.

His European record speaks for itself.

Are we ever going to be able to provide a manager of that calibre the squad to compete at his level ?

Well my views on Carlo are different as I've always thought him overrated but it's a game of opinions so I know many will scoff at my view

 

[Marcus Kendall]

Oh yeah. I forgot about our number 8 Davide Covid. Soz about that. I'm still thankful to Mr. Covid for giving us our best season in many a year.

Was it really that great? Best season I can remember was Martinezs first year when I thought we'd finally cracked it

 

[John from Bootle]

I mean if we’re just going to cherry pick a few games then he also lost at home to 2 of the bottom 3, got knocked out of the cup by Liverpool under 9s and somehow failed to win a game we were 2-0 up in after 94 minutes, but yeah the half dozen games before james got bored were great.

Yeah, he's the only everton manager since err David Moyes, Koeman, Roberto, that had us challenging for Europe. But yeah, we were much better after he left, with our 3 years of relegation battles.

For what it's worth, I agree he ultimately failed over that last half of the season. The point remains though -we had one of the greatest managers of all time, and some people/posters thought we could do better. LOLOLOLOLOL.

 

[CielosGrises]

Well my views on Carlo are different as I've always thought him overrated but it's a game of opinions so I know many will scoff at my view

It is indeed - proof is in the pudding for me - the game is about winning things one way or another.

 

[windymiller]

I literally just said before that you can but I don't know what you'll gain from comparing anything. Its your view, nobody trying to tell you you cant have it, I don't don't agree, you're welcome to be antsy about it but I'm happy to agree to disagree.

Fair enough. Personally I don't think there's anything to disagree or agree with yet. I've been burned by too many false dawns with this club so I'm very cautious about getting behind any owners. We'll see soon enough if this lot are the real deal or not.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

It is indeed - proof is in the pudding for me - the game is about winning things one way or another.

I can see that criteria. Then again he's always had the best players. His man management is elite I'm just not convinced he's a great tactician

 

[Gilbert..]

Having no realistic chance of winning will do that to you.

I think theres some truth in that because theres so much money now its put the fear of God into clubs that they're not that bothered about winning anything. Just getting enough points to survive. For some clubs its always been like that. Everton wasnt.

 

[CielosGrises]

I can see that criteria. Then again he's always had the best players. His man management is elite I'm just not convinced he's a great tactician

A natural understanding of the game more than an innovator of tactics and systems maybe.

His Everton football was a hard watch but I kind of admired him for assessing the (poor) squad and getting the best results out of it - even though really fir him it was a hiding to nothing - Dychelotti football.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

I think theres some truth in that because theres so much money now its put the fear of God into clubs that they're not that bothered about winning anything. Just getting enough points to survive. For some clubs its always been like that. Everton wasnt.

I don’t think it’s that they’re not bothered. You just have to cut your cloth accordingly. Spend on wages invariably predicts league position. Most teams just have no where near the budgets of City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea. It’s David v Goliath. Britain used to have a global empire and was the pre-eminent global power at one. That’s gone now and won’t ever come back. Best to move on and not hark back to what used to be.

 

[Marius57]

Periodic reminder that Carlo Ancelotti is an outstanding football manager and very much had the 'ability and worthiness' to manage Everton, but showed very little to suggest that he was actually suited to the job that he had. Obviously some people got embarrassingly starstruck by him and still fangirl over him now but at the end of the day he took over a team which had finished 8th the season before and finished 12th and 10th before running off and leaving us in the lurch.

Moyes has done a good job, he's much more suited to managing a club in our position than Ancelotti was.

He didn’t take us over in 8th though. He took us over in 16th and closer to relegation with less games to play than when Allardyce apparently saved us from relegation.

He did a good job in that first half season in getting us as many points as he did whilst spending no money in the January window.

His full season was enjoyable until he had an injury crisis half way through and went into games with makeshift teams including one with a midfield 3 of holgate, Davies and siggy. That’s when the wheels seemed to fall off and he reverted to low block defensive football.

He is a fantastic manager but it was the wrong time for us.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

I think everybody agrees that winning the league is harder/more impressive than winning a cup, which is what all of those quotes are about. That doesn’t really have any relevance to whether winning a cup is better than finishing 11th.

No, most are about how the league is the true benchmark of how good a team is. Winning a cup is great, but unrealistic and requires a huge amount of fortune.

The league, due to it being played over many games, with everyone playing each other multiple times, offers a truer reflection of the relative strength and standard of a team.

 

[Lanolin]

No, most are about how the league is the true benchmark of how good a team is. Winning a cup is great, but unrealistic and requires a huge amount of fortune.

The league, due to it being played over many games, with everyone playing each other multiple times, offers a truer reflection of the relative strength and standard of a team.

Yes that’s what I said but worded differently, and so still irrelevant to the actual discussion.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

It's kind of comical for us to judge Carlo.

His European record speaks for itself.

Are we ever going to be able to provide a manager of that calibre the squad to compete at his level ?

The fact is, Carlo is mainly a cup manager. His continental record is great, but it’s pretty stunning he only managed to win one Serie A with that Milan side.

You could see he’s a good tactician, but he’s not a builder or strategist like Ferguson, Busby, Stein, or other legacy managers.

 

[Gilbert..]

I don’t think it’s that they’re not bothered. You just have to cut your cloth accordingly. Spend on wages invariably predicts league position. Most teams just have no where near the budgets of City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea. It’s David v Goliath. Britain used to have a global empire and was the pre-eminent global power at one. That’s gone now and won’t ever come back. Best to move on and not hark back to what used to be.

Thats more or less what i said. Money.
Maybe not bothered is harsh but priority is staying in the money league now over winning a cup.
The flip side to that is clubs like brighton. Bournemouth. Brentford staying in it are now able to spend like they couldnt have dreamed of a few years ago.
Relegation from this league is an absolute no no.

 

[Groucho]

I'm glad Tarkowski was just a two year extension...and Ilm a big fan of what he's done while here so far.

He's been appalling so far this season and in pre-season.

For my money: I dont really rate O'Brien as a RB (solid most of the time and that's it) but he looks like he could be a real asset at CB where he should be now.

Ok Dave, relax mate.

O’Brien is clearly a CB with Branthwaite and he being the long term CB pairing.

Garner is a superior stand in RB.