2025/26 David Moyes

[pfim]

Sometimes I wish I wasn't an admin on here as I pull some punches to try an be less of a miserable arse, but as a fan, it put a black mark against TFG for me.

They didn't want Moyes.

They had their man who was coming in the summer to replace Dyche.

They lost their nerve.

They allowed short term to dictate long term.

Time will tell whether that was the right decision - obviously, I hope they're right and I'm wrong.

If it was my club, Thelwell/Purdy would have been retained for a year or two, and Frank would be the manager now.

But to me that's the same as hiring Moyes. Thelwell and Purdy weren't their guys, and didn't want to commit to them longer than the club already had.

At any rate, there's enough in this squad to get results, and not with Dyche levels of tactics that we saw on Monday. There should be no more finger-pointing from Moyes.

 

[toffeeblue9]

Its Moyes though isnt it?

He downplayed expectations at every turn when he was here, an has always done so. Man Utd pissed the league, he rocked up and was talking about it would be a good point if they could get one away at Newcastle. Before a ball was kicked that season at Sunderland, who'd been in the Prem for 10 years on the spin, he said it would be a miracle if he kept them up.

After years of pragmatism, I wanted a bit of hope, confidence and dare I say arrogance this summer, and he is the total opposite of that.

We had a real opportunity this summer to send a lightning bolt through the team, and we're pissing it away.

I understand what you're saying but I'm not sure what any sort of arrogance would have been based on.

We've been a laughing stock for years. Our selling points are a shiny new stadium (which is barely a selling point at all), the fact we aren't skint finally and we have a manager who's not incompetent.

There's no European football on offer, we aren't financially strong enough or with enough PSR wiggle room to blow teams out of the water, we are effectively relying on selling the dream to players and for most of them, that's not enough - they'll go where the money is or where the higher standard is.

We've done remarkably well to sell it to Grealish and, to a slightly lesser extent, to KDH.

Essentially, I think this "new dawn" stuff exists really in the heads of the fans and the club (with the "unprecedented" stuff) hasn't done enough to temper expectations about how long it will take to get to the level where we are trying to sign players on a level playing field with others.

Just because we all have this new start stuff in our heads with a new manager, new stadium, new owners etc doesn't mean it exists in everyone else's. To them we are Everton, who've been crap for years, talking a good game.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

But to me that's the same as hiring Moyes. Thelwell and Purdy weren't their guys, and didn't want to commit to them longer than the club already had.

At any rate, there's enough in this squad to get results, and not with Dyche levels of tactics that we saw on Monday. There should be no more finger-pointing from Moyes.

I don't see a comparison.

I just think we had too much to do this summer mate to make the changes they've made/continue to make.

They've put a big recruitment team together, with a manager, leading the recruitment, who notoriously doesn't get along with recruitment suits. What could go wrong?!

Agree on there should be no finger pointing from Moyes, who has been backed more than the previous 3/4 managers already - but it's what he does. Expect plenty more.

 

[blulouie]

I'd suggest the biggest problem, which the manager has basically said, is identifying the wrong players - players who don't want to come here.

Pretty much this.

Its good that the club clearly targeted really top players.
We all know how long and complicated transfers take , but they would have been identified months ago.
A plain "No We want Europe" should have curtailed that pursuit very early on.
Maybe a cut off date of early to mid July would then give the club plenty of time to lower their sights and have them recruited and bedded in ready for the seasons start.
Its at best shortsighted but imo more incompetent to have us in the position we are now in.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I understand what you're saying but I'm not sure what any sort of arrogance would have been based on.

We've been a laughing stock for years. Our selling points are a shiny new stadium (which is barely a selling point at all), the fact we aren't skint finally and we have a manager who's not incompetent.

There's no European football on offer, we aren't financially strong enough or with enough PSR wiggle room to blow teams out of the water, we are effectively relying on selling the dream to players and for most of them, that's not enough - they'll go where the money is or where the higher standard is.

We've done remarkably well to sell it to Grealish and, to a slightly lesser extent, to KDH.

Essentially, I think this "new dawn" stuff exists really in the heads of the fans and the club (with the "unprecedented" stuff) hasn't done enough to temper expectations about how long it will take to get to the level where we are trying to sign players on a level playing field with others.

Just because we all have this new start stuff in our heads with a new manager, new stadium, new owners etc doesn't mean it exists in everyone else's. To them we are Everton, who've been crap for years, talking a good game.

If we're not advocating ourselves, nobody else will.

It's as simple as that.

[Edit] If we can't conjure up optimism at that new stadium, under new owners with the ability to spend for the first time in about 5 years - then it's time to wrap up.

 

[pfim]

I don't see a comparison.

I just think we had too much to do this summer mate to make the changes they've made/continue to make.

They've put a big recruitment team together, with a manager, leading the recruitment, who notoriously doesn't get along with recruitment suits. What could go wrong?!

Agree on there should be no finger pointing from Moyes, who has been backed more than the previous 3/4 managers already - but it's what he does. Expect plenty more.

If they lost their nerve by appointing Moyes, who they didn't want, what would it say by giving contracts to two other guys they didn't want? It's more short-termism.

Also, they took on Moyes because Dyche downed tools, at least the other two stuck around.

At any rate, expectations aren't being met which is down to TFG. There are 10? days left to fix it. I think it's clear they don't tolerate people who are not pulling in the same direction (Dyche) and have no issue changing things up in high profile positions (Roma) when expectations aren't met.

 

[davek]

That’s a long trip, what would you talk about?

No need for that. He'd be in the boot.

 

[CielosGrises]

A pretty clear and honest press conf from Moyes. It isn't what people want hear.

Assuming we get some solid players for the squad we could have a tilt at getting to Europe - then the club will have done well.

If we don't but the club and squad is more stable I still think Moyes has done his job in taking the wheel in a difficult period.

If they can't attract the best players, they'll need to try for good players and a gamble or two.

 

[blulouie]

Sometimes I wish I wasn't an admin on here as I pull some punches to try an be less of a miserable arse, but as a fan, it put a black mark against TFG for me.

They didn't want Moyes.

They had their man who was coming in the summer to replace Dyche.

They lost their nerve.

They allowed short term to dictate long term.

Time will tell whether that was the right decision - obviously, I hope they're right and I'm wrong.

If it was my club, Thelwell/Purdy would have been retained for a year or two, and Frank would be the manager now.

That's your invite to the TFG Xmas party knackered

I see it the same way
But I'd have had Ireola sat at that presser today.

 

[toffeeblue9]

If we're not advocating ourselves, nobody else will.

It's as simple as that.

[Edit] If we can't conjure up optimism at that new stadium, under new owners with the ability to spend for the first time in about 5 years - then it's time to wrap up.

I'm sure we are advocating ourselves, but anyone who thinks we should have any arrogance about our approach to it all would be living in a bubble IMO. We have very little to be arrogant about.

 

[Fonzy]

How was he the press conference?

 

[orchard]

If we're not advocating ourselves, nobody else will.

It's as simple as that.

[Edit] If we can't conjure up optimism at that new stadium, under new owners with the ability to spend for the first time in about 5 years - then it's time to wrap up.

Does it seem similar to the last time he was here, or is it just me ? The narrative was nobody wanted to come to us, but as soon as he left a new manager with little reputation managed to attract a good premiership striker and a promising youngster from Barcelona.

 

[orchard]

How was he the press conference?

Yes.

 

[davek]

How was he the press conference?

...erm...

 

[GrandOldTeam]

If they lost their nerve by appointing Moyes, who they didn't want, what would it say by giving contracts to two other guys they didn't want? It's more short-termism.

Also, they took on Moyes because Dyche downed tools, at least the other two stuck around.

At any rate, expectations aren't being met which is down to TFG. There are 10? days left to fix it. I think it's clear they don't tolerate people who are not pulling in the same direction (Dyche) and have no issue changing things up in high profile positions (Roma) when expectations aren't met.

Lost their nerve by retaining him, rather that appointing. They had nobody else who they could appoint after Dyche downed tools. On the comparison, I see what you mean, but there's a big difference. I think the recruitment position meant we needed some continuity there.

To move away from DOF model entirely, and to hire so many just felt bad timing to me. A managers position is very different to that.

Just out of interest I wonder if Roma have a DOF? I ask as I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it was Moyes who forced the changes we've seen. We had players lined up to come in January, which he turned away.