2025/26 David Moyes

JobForTheMoyes said:
But the fact remains that he showed flashes in the Premier League and was not a standout when they went down to the Championship. At some point it is the player’s own performance and consistency that are the problems.
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I know alot of saints fans who really rated the lad, but he got stuck in a 💩 situation with a poor manager.

Juventus - how many players move to italy and suddenly just disappear and shifted on.

Flamengo - South American teams survive on moving on players.

Alcaraz game suits English football, he's more direct than silky play.

He is very good ( not world class ) at his game. He isn't a good all-rounder, but he is good at what he does.

If you don't play to his strengths than you may aswell pick someone out of the crowd.
 

Zatara said:
He'll say Armstrong is crap next as hes on loan. Or Anzou will never make it as a footballer as Barca & Bayern didnt make him their youngest ever captain or something weird.

Southampton, Juventus & Flamengo situations are all availble to find online on this very forum.

Theyve not even bothered to look.
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Yeah
Talk to talk without a point. Just to justify Moyes' decisions
 
Swartzy said:
I know alot of saints fans who really rated the lad, but he got stuck in a 💩 situation with a poor manager.

Juventus - how many players move to italy and suddenly just disappear and shifted on.

Flamengo - South American teams survive on moving on players.

Alcaraz game suits English football, he's more direct than silky play.

He is very good ( not world class ) at his game. He isn't a good all-rounder, but he is good at what he does.

If you don't play to his strengths than you may aswell pick someone out of the crowd.
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That's the thing though, In a Moyes team you need to be reasonably adaptable/versatile and Alcaraz just isn't. I really don't think its difficult to see why he is not in the team atm and I'm not sure what folks are struggling with tbh.
 

Curtis said:
You're aware he's only 22? I think he's demonstrated he can offer alot to this club attacking wise, just look at what his presence provided when we played Crystal Palace. Alcarez played a significant role in altering the momentum of the game, but he needs to be positioned centrally , moyes doesn't always accommodate.
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He's terrified of playing gifted players in a central position. I respect what he's done for the club in the past, but good god why can't he be less of a coward with his tactics and team selections.
 
Simon Buttle said:
That's the thing though, In a Moyes team you need to be reasonably adaptable/versatile and Alcaraz just isn't. I really don't think its difficult to see why he is not in the team atm and I'm not sure what folks are struggling with tbh.
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Yeah I get that mate, again it comes down to Manager v Player

His game would improve us, especially in transition and making quick instinctive decisions, but like you said, Moyes won't adapt to that.

He is a good change of tactic during a game, but we don't do that.

That doesn't mean he isn't good player though.
 
Simon Buttle said:
That's the thing though, In a Moyes team you need to be reasonably adaptable/versatile and Alcaraz just isn't. I really don't think its difficult to see why he is not in the team atm and I'm not sure what folks are struggling with tbh.
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The odd thing about that though is even in Moyes' setups if he is played in a position that suits him (centrally) and has time on the pitch to operate he typically does pretty well. The more baffling part is that Moyes refuses to acknowledge when he does something positive or if he does it's a half hearted gesture like playing him on the wing at the city game
 
Swartzy said:
I know alot of saints fans who really rated the lad, but he got stuck in a 💩 situation with a poor manager.

Juventus - how many players move to italy and suddenly just disappear and shifted on.

Flamengo - South American teams survive on moving on players.

Alcaraz game suits English football, he's more direct than silky play.

He is very good ( not world class ) at his game. He isn't a good all-rounder, but he is good at what he does.

If you don't play to his strengths than you may aswell pick someone out of the crowd.
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Southampton - joined in January. Performed well & a few posters (including me) were saying he looked too good for them.

Their fans were furious when the new manager joined and dropped him as he preferred a tippy tappy style (see KDH) and moved him on. Fans thought he'd be a £40mil player 2-3 seasons later.


Juventus - Clearly they had seen talent, paid a €4mil loan fee and had a £42mil option in the deal.

Didnt suit the slow build up play (a theme) and some fans thought he was overawed at joining such a big club.

Flamengo - Well known that their manager and fans liked him. However it was stated again that the manager wanted to use a slow build up.


Alcaraz is a player who is excellent on the transition, will drive forward with the ball and can play very dangerous passes. As weve seen hes got a great leap on him and not a bad shot.

He's been best as a 10 in a direct side or on the right in a midfield 3.

Use him in a tippy tappy slow build up side and hes been dropped. Use him in a direct team and hes been very good.
 
SJB said:
Who hands in their resignation? I suppose the person(s) in the department who is not demonstrating capability in their role and doesn't have the confidence in their ability to improve their performance and meet the requirements of their role.

This is a dead weird way of having a conversation btw, why don't you just say what you mean instead of asking loaded questions?
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It's not really a loaded question is it.

You said the head of recruitment doesn't do every role.

My point is that he will get the blame at the end of the day for poor results.

Same with the manager, when things go bad he will pay the price.
 

Zatara said:
Juventus - Clearly they had seen talent, paid a €4mil loan fee and had a £42mil option in the deal.

Didnt suit the slow build up play (a theme) and some fans thought he was overawed at joining such a big club.

Use him in a tippy tappy slow build up side and hes been dropped. Use him in a direct team and hes been very good.
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Hmm…

A Reddit thread specifically about Alcaraz at Juventus complained that the team’s style didn’t favour his strengths: “With our style we don’t do much ball possession … our defence lines out of the ball are extremely low so when we are able to get the ball we run as fast as possible towards the opposite side of the pitch.”
 
bitter-no-better said:
Moyes averaged 57 points in 11 full seasons in his last spell at the club.
Martinez got 72 points in his 1st season which would have got you champions league for past 10 seasons.
You could argue Martinez inherited a good defence but the difference is you had a manager willing to take risks.
I don't dislike Moyes but i doubt he will get us pushing for Europe anytime soon.
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The picture looks different when you average Martinez full 2 seasons (very close to Moyes average).

Of every worse, include the third season he was here for most of (becomes worse than Moyes average)
 
Simon Buttle said:
That's the thing though, In a Moyes team you need to be reasonably adaptable/versatile and Alcaraz just isn't. I really don't think its difficult to see why he is not in the team atm and I'm not sure what folks are struggling with tbh.
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I get why he doesn’t start for that reason. But we end up chasing nearly every game or even if we are level, we are under the cosh for a long period.

At that point, he is pretty perfect for us to play direct and break out. Like vs Palace. But bringing him on with 7 mins to go and 4 mins to go the game before when chasing the game is then pointless when he usually becomes our biggest threat.
 

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