2024/25 David Moyes

[GrandOldTeam]

i think thats mad talk tbh for this season. You want better than what came before and hold to the same standards. In 13 games we've scored 18 goals under Moyes. Thats acceptable. In the 13 games previous under what came before it was 7 goals in 13 games. Thats pathetic.
He took over a team halfway through the season on its knees that could hardly get a shot away on goal and a point above the relegation zone.
13 games later we're 15 points above that same relegation zone.
But you want better lol.

We all should want better than 1 win in 9.

No matter the agenda on the manager.

Besides, season isn't over yet. We earned the exact same number of points at this stage of the season last season, and even with pressure of point deduction - went on to have a great run to earn enough points to finish what should have been 12th. Hopefully we can have a good run in this time too.

My opinion on Moyes is based on 20+ years though. Not a handful of games with a terrible squad.

 

[NSNO1878EFC]

I did want Moyes, but its also okay to say he has done plenty right but also could have done better too.

I’m not sure any manager in world football would have been on more than 35 points at the moment with the squad available and the injuries. Our first choice front 3 have been missing for a good chunk of the games. We should have won some of the games recently but the main reason we didn’t is because we’ve missed too many chances which isn’t down to Moyes.

 

[Gilbert..]

Sorry guys, I’m with Big Nev on this one

“Short-term, yes. Long-term, no. Because I still think if we want to sign the calibre of players we want to sign they’re going to come for someone who plays the style of football they like,” Southall said about whether Moyes is the right man for the job.

https://www.[Publication is blackli...-future-at-everton-it-will-be-disgraceful-if/

Do you agree with the Club Legend?
Or are you just wrong?

That bit right there is where i am. But im staggered at some Everton fans not being that happy about this season. Im quite enjoying the stress free run in. Around dec/jan time i wasnt looking at Everton winning games, mainly due to we never looked like winning any. I was looking at clubs around us not winning. Thats how bad it was.
Moyes isnt the long term answer. But i cant even start to point any fingers at whats left of this season. He picked the club up off the floor.

 

[AaronTheBlue]

I’m not sure any manager in world football would have been on more than 35 points at the moment with the squad available and the injuries. Our first choice front 3 have been missing for a good chunk of the games. We should have won some of the games recently but the main reason we didn’t is because we’ve missed too many chances which isn’t down to Moyes.

Heavily, heavily disagree, it really wouldn't have taken much to improve the everton side that was being heavily mismanaged by Dyche, and Moyes has come in and done a decent job,

You are absolutely entitled to your belief but this is not a miracle job, he is doing okay, started off very good, has got some great results too, but could have done better too, thats as simple as it is for me.

 

[MACCA75]

It really isn't mad talk though, there are games in the last 9 games that we should have won, and i expect better than 1 in 9, this league is poor, i think we've played some teams we should of beat in that run, and to suggest its 'mad talk' to expect that, is silly for me.

It's also a false equivalency, you're correlating Sean Dyche to any competent manager, which he isn't, he was doing incredibly bad, Moyes has come in and done far better, but which is great, and should be applauded, but he should have also done slightly better at times.

1 win in 9 isn't good enough for anyone managing everton football club, but that does not dismiss the good work he has done.

The league is not poor.

 

[Gilbert..]

It really isn't mad talk though, there are games in the last 9 games that we should have won, and i expect better than 1 in 9, this league is poor, i think we've played some teams we should of beat in that run, and to suggest its 'mad talk' to expect that, is silly for me.

It's also a false equivalency, you're correlating Sean Dyche to any competent manager, which he isn't, he was doing incredibly bad, Moyes has come in and done far better, but which is great, and should be applauded, but he should have also done slightly better at times.

1 win in 9 isn't good enough for anyone managing everton football club, but that does not dismiss the good work he has done.

Its the mentality thats chalk n cheese. We were going out under dyche with no intention of taking the game to the opposition. We've lost twice under moyes but have at least looked like a team that hasnt just turned up for a draw. Its the same group as dyche had. So theres your "better".

 

[AaronTheBlue]

The league is not poor.

Have to agree to disagree on that one then my mate, not going to argue with you about it, but this is a very poor version of the PL for me, and most teams below 3/4 teams aren't fantastic and the level between them is quite slim, aside from the top 3, and the bottom 3.

 

[NSNO1878EFC]

Heavily, heavily disagree, it really wouldn't have taken much to improve the everton side that was being heavily mismanaged by Dyche, and Moyes has come in and done a decent job,

You are absolutely entitled to your belief but this is not a miracle job, he is doing okay, started off very good, has got some great results too, but could have done better too, thats as simple as it is for me.

I think you’re vastly overrating the squad. Other teams in the League would be interested in Pickford, Branthwaite, Gueye and Ndiaye but other than that, they wouldn’t be interested in anyone else. It’s a very poor squad which needs a major overhaul in the summer.

 

[AaronTheBlue]

Its the mentality thats chalk n cheese. We were going out under dyche with no intention of taking the game to the opposition. We've lost twice under moyes but have at least looked like a team that hasnt just turned up for a draw. Its the same group as dyche had. So theres your "better".

I have already said Moyes has done better than Dyche.

I feel we as a fanbase have this weird tribalism and recency bias towards managers and players,

Moyes has done a decent job since he has come in, he could have also done better, that is absolutely not an unfair statement to make for me,

But i won't monopolise the thread and repeat the same things, so i'll leave it at that.

 

[banno]

I am a black and white person.
Before Moyes we were 1 pt above relegation zone unable to score or create and looking at a battle to stay in the division.
Enter Moyes we are now 15 pts clear and looking forward to playing PL footy next season.

How can anyone be critical of Moyes after that.

He has ensured safety, got goals, we have created more chances.

Next season we can judge him and be critical but this season just be thankful to Moyes for making us safe with relative ease

 

[Gilbert..]

We all should want better than 1 win in 9.

No matter the agenda on the manager.

Besides, season isn't over yet. We earned the exact same number of points at this stage of the season last season, and even with pressure of point deduction - went on to have a great run to earn enough points to finish what should have been 12th. Hopefully we can have a good run in this time too.

My opinion on Moyes is based on 20+ years though. Not a handful of games with a terrible squad.

Its not the point and ive made the same one many times. With the same group of players the mentality from kick off is totally different. The goals scored from the same squad with two different managers isnt opinion. Its fact that one manager was sending him team out with a very different set up.
But this has still been done to death.
I'll end it on this point with what i saw in the press confrences of the two managers.
One week we had Dyche. He was making a big thing about how Everton fans and everyone else should be realistic about where we are. Telling everyone we are basically a relegation club.
Sacked.
One week later Moyes is asked in the press conference why he looked so miserable. His reply was have you seen the table? Everton shouldnt be there.
Within a few weeks we wasnt.
He'll get not criticism from me for the rest of this season. None.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Its not the point and ive made the same one many times. With the same group of players the mentality from kick off is totally different. The goals scored from the same squad with two different managers isnt opinion. Its fact that one manager was sending him team out with a very different set up.

It is mate.

But when you say we should be grateful that Moyes picked us up of the floor, the same applies to Dyche.

We also didn't suddenly deploy a different style this season under Dyche. We were awful last season to watch too, we replied on set pieces and 2 good runs.

That style worked for him at Everton to keep us away from the drop until this season - I mean, in all the chaos, Dyche earned 4 less points than Moyes' West Ham last season, and equal to all the hipsters like De Zerbi, Silva, Iraola.

So with the same squad, I can understand why he tried the same. The wheels just come off, it went stale. As it does in football.

But this has still been done to death.
I'll end it on this point with what i saw in the press confrences of the two managers.
One week we had Dyche. He was making a big thing about how Everton fans and everyone else should be realistic about where we are. Telling everyone we are basically a relegation club.
Sacked.
One week later Moyes is asked in the press conference why he looked so miserable. His reply was have you seen the table? Everton shouldnt be there.
Within a few weeks we wasnt.
He'll get not criticism from me for the rest of this season. None.

Moyes has his ear to the ground. He knows thats what fans want to hear now.

But he's made a career of talking down expectations at every turn. Trust me, we could spend £300m this summer and on the eve of a new season, he'd downplay expectation and talk up a team thats been relegation fodder for years.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I am a black and white person.
Before Moyes we were 1 pt above relegation zone unable to score or create and looking at a battle to stay in the division.
Enter Moyes we are now 15 pts clear and looking forward to playing PL footy next season.

How can anyone be critical of Moyes after that.

He has ensured safety, got goals, we have created more chances.

Next season we can judge him and be critical but this season just be thankful to Moyes for making us safe with relative ease

Short term mentality/decision making though isn't it mate?

It depends what you want - consolidation/comfort. Then yeah, I understand Moyes. He's better than Dyche, is that enough?

I've long hoped we'd get to this summer and we'd use new owners, new stadium as a real opportunity to put a bolt through the club and kick on. Is that Moyes?

 

[Gilbert..]

It is mate.

But when you say we should be grateful that Moyes picked us up of the floor, the same applies to Dyche.

We also didn't suddenly deploy a different style this season under Dyche. We were awful last season to watch too, we replied on set pieces and 2 good runs.

That style worked for him at Everton to keep us away from the drop until this season - I mean, in all the chaos, Dyche earned 4 less points than Moyes' West Ham last season, and equal to all the hipsters like De Zerbi, Silva, Iraola.

So with the same squad, I can understand why he tried the same. The wheels just come off, it went stale. As it does in football.




Moyes has his ear to the ground. He knows thats what fans want to hear now.

But he's made a career of talking down expectations at every turn. Trust me, we could spend £300m this summer and on the eve of a new season, he'd downplay expectation and talk up a team thats been relegation fodder for years.

What games have you been watching if you think the style and approach isnt different. Where does 18 goals compare to 7 goals in the same number of games come from. That isnt luck.
Look mate we are so far apart on this we're in different solar systems.
Have a good one

 

[NSNO1878EFC]

Short term mentality/decision making though isn't it mate?

It depends what you want - consolidation/comfort. Then yeah, I understand Moyes. He's better than Dyche, is that enough?

I've long hoped we'd get to this summer and we'd use new owners, new stadium as a real opportunity to put a bolt through the club and kick on. Is that Moyes?

I agreed with that when we hired him but seeing the job he’s done, I think he deserves next season at least now. If we improve the squad in the summer like we should do, I’ll judge him next season.

If we don’t improve the squad in the summer, we’re going nowhere regardless of who the manager is and I don’t want to waste any money/time on an unnecessary change, it’s too important a summer to waste any time on it.