2024/25 David Moyes

[Eggs]

This was basically my view.

I'm not having a go at anyone either, but I do wonder if this is more of a forun feel though. Like the feeling at the match seems a lot happier?

One thing I will say though, and there's a lot of ifs and buts in here, but if we spend quite the heavily being mid table will not be seen as enough. I've seen a couple of fan channels say we will spend a fair bit of money and have another nice boring season of 12th and that will be fine. I'm not sure that's how it will be seen.

…I think it was yesterday I posted that I get the impression from Moyes that he’s not in this for the long haul. He was brought in to bring stability and he wants to improve us but will actually want to hand the baton over.

Not sure how long is contract us but I wouldn’t be in the least surprised if it’s long enough to suit all concerned.

 

[davek]

That's cos he is and it's not even close.

You and people like you are a problem for Everton.

How can you look at that dud and think he's good enough for where we need to go?

 

[Lanolin]

I'd argue that this is just general moaning; seems to happen everywhere online at the moment.

And even with that, we're still a mile better in just about everything - on the pitch we look good/decent, feels like we're getting the most out of the players at our disposal, etc.

I honestly think solidly midtable (or midtable to The 7th Place Trophy as far as contention goes) is reasonable - we'll need to invest heavily in the next 2 years just to remain stable as we'll need a proper squad and some players will have to go/be replaced, so spending is inevitable, but it should lead to stable growth and not instant growth. Newcastle are a decent example of this - yeah, they're moneyed up, we know who the owners are, etc., and they've spent a fair few bob, but they're stable and on the up - you can't expect a team from the bottom half to get 300m and instantly challenged for 4th like.

Totally agree with you in terms of aims, and as I say personally I'm a fan of Moyes and always have been. I think it is a bit different with him because he isn't starting with a clean slate like most managers would be - people's perceptions of him are already coloured and particularly the negative stuff is set in stone in people's minds. I was coming out the other day and one of the lads I was with was saying 'Well we can already count out winning at Chelsea because we know he can't do that'. You obviously don't get that with others.

 

[Timbucktoo]

You seem to have forgotten his regular disastrous starts to the season. Then we had the bottling of major cup games on a regular basis. Classic example of this was Chelsea away in the League Cup semi final.

Not forgotten any of them, most of those seasons we were still waiting to sign players as the season was under way for a few weeks before we were able to do our business on the last few days of the window. When Moyes took over he was still learning his trade and learned from previous mistakes and had us on the front foot right until the cup final in 09. Kenwright did his bit and we had no money to spend to bring in players until Lescott went. After that season we started to go backwards, but we needed a good player over haul and had a chairman happy to make up the numbers.

 

[catcherintherye]

…I think it was yesterday I posted that I get the impression from Moyes that he’s not in this for the long haul. He was brought in to bring stability and he wants to improve us but will actually want to hand the baton over.

Not sure how long is contract us but I wouldn’t be in the least surprised if it suits all concerned.

It's interesting, I kind of get a bit of a different view, but I wonder if he is involved with the club as a director thereafter, a bit like Ranieri will be at Roma.

People go on about DOFs but part of of thinks if you've never coached a team how much experience do you tangibly have in terms of buying people and structuring a club?

The timelines may go that way too as you suggest. Like if we spend as TFG seem to intimate we may, it may be that we finished sort of top half mid table for a couple of years, but they then feel it's time to find someone to push us beyond that. That would be my thinking anyway.

 

[Eggs]

You and people like you are a problem for Everton.

How can you look at that dud and think he's good enough for where we need to go?

…I think you’ve misread that, Dave. The point being made was whether he’s still the best at the club, I don’t think anybody’s thinking he’s the long-term answer.

 

[DualityNSNO]

…I think it was yesterday I posted that I get the impression from Moyes that he’s not in this for the long haul. He was brought in to bring stability and he wants to improve us but will actually want to hand the baton over.

Not sure how long is contract us but I wouldn’t be in the least surprised if it’s long enough to suit all concerned.

End of season 26/27, I think?

And yeah he definitely gives the impression he's not to remain for long this time to be honest - he's hinted he wants to retire too so ~2 years makes sense.

 

[Goat]

You and people like you are a problem for Everton.

How can you look at that dud and think he's good enough for where we need to go?

What the hell you on about?

DCL is leaving this club in 2months.

But for now, hes without question the best Striker at the club.

 

[DualityNSNO]

…I think you’ve misread that, Dave. The point being made was whether he’s still the best at the club, I don’t think anybody’s thinking he’s the long-term answer.

Don't go in the way of a proper agenda against Moyes mate.

The ultimate Davek headspin might happen if Moyes a) gets us to a cup final and/or b) gets 73 points.

 

[davek]

…I think you’ve misread that, Dave. The point being made was whether he’s still the best at the club, I don’t think anybody’s thinking he’s the long-term answer.

No, I read it right.

 

[gedefc]

I have

West Ham are always winning trophies arnt they.

 

[davek]

Don't go in the way of a proper agenda against Moyes mate.

The ultimate Davek headspin might happen if Moyes a) gets us to a cup final and/or b) gets 73 points.

I can guarantee that will never happen.

70 odd points is unachievable unless you take risks with a club at out current level.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Totally agree with you in terms of aims, and as I say personally I'm a fan of Moyes and always have been. I think it is a bit different with him because he isn't starting with a clean slate like most managers would be - people's perceptions of him are already coloured and particularly the negative stuff is set in stone in people's minds. I was coming out the other day and one of the lads I was with was saying 'Well we can already count out winning at Chelsea because we know he can't do that'. You obviously don't get that with others.

Well at least he seems to have changed slightly in that we seem to at least be having a go of sorts - against Arsenal we played some decent stuff, against the RS obviously too - he's shifting the narrative slightly, but it's just 10 years too late for it to be noticeable, if that makes sense?

 

[davek]

What the hell you on about?

DCL is leaving this club in 2months.

But for now, hes without question the best Striker at the club.

I doubt he is.

He's like Ghost Face from the Scream films.

 

[Goat]

I doubt he is.

He's like Ghost Face from the Scream films.

I think this recent injury spell has made Moyes question his long term future.