2024/25 David Moyes

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MikeH72 said:
Of course, clearly Sean Dyche knows best which is why he didn’t get sacked mid season.
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The idea that Moyes had no autonomy over picking that line-up and Dyche is using him as a puppet from the grave is so funny. Moyes is a grown man with even more experience than Dyche. I think he is best equipped to make judgements on the line-up and how he selects it.
 

Lanolin said:
I mean obviously if we want to reduce it to such a tiny sample size and criteria then yeah we 'created' (very loosely) a couple of chances which we maybe didn't do in the last couple of games but on a broader level it was no different. We've had chances in home games before in this run but not taken them just like we didn't last night, I don't see what the significant difference was at all but hey we all like to have a crutch.
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I saw the last 2 games in the league as a couple of the most inept performances of recent years, where we didn't even try to score. So it is a very low bar to start with. But I think we were clearly better than those games, without being good either.

Based on the play, the chances, and the penalty appeals, we should never have lost 1 nil. Very few teams at that level fail to score in a game like that. The service argument is often fair but at some point attackers have to take responsibility to score.
 
MikeH72 said:
Or maybe just start off by dropping Young, Doucoure, Harrison and DCL?!?
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You realise we haven't got the players to be dropping anyone at the moment?

Patterson isn't good enough
Armstrong isn't ready
Lindstrom for Harrison possibly, but he's hardly taken the chances he's had so far
Is Beto an improvement on DCL? I don't think so.
 

GrandOldSte117 said:
The idea that Moyes had no autonomy over picking that line-up and Dyche is using him as a puppet from the grave is so funny. Moyes is a grown man with even more experience than Dyche. I think he is best equipped to make judgements on the line-up and how he selects it.
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Well yeah I would’ve thought so too, which is why I was absolutely stunned to learn just now that he’s spoken to Dyche and asked him about the players. Some of whom, like Patterson, he actively disliked.

Would you have been alarmed if Dyche came out after he was appointed and said that he’d been asking Lampard for his thoughts on the players?
 
‪He’s just describing what we have seen all season. These players have not been coached to play football. They’ve only been coached on how to defend. Dyche’s sacking came way too late. These players will need some time to be coached on how to play with the ball. And obviously we need a striker because DCL is shocking and Beto is not a footballer.
 
ToffeeTim said:
I saw the last 2 games in the league as a couple of the most inept performances of recent years, where we didn't even try to score. So it is a very low bar to start with. But I think we were clearly better than those games, without being good either.

Based on the play, the chances, and the penalty appeals, we should never have lost 1 nil. Very few teams at that level fail to score in a game like that. The service argument is often fair but at some point attackers have to take responsibility to score.
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See that's where I just totally disagree, I didn't think Villa were particularly good but I thought they looked well better than us. We were extremely lucky not to be at least 1 down at half time, they must have had about half a dozen shots in the first 5 minutes before we'd even left our own half. It feels like people have just blanked out all the bad bits and decided we deserved a draw because we had a shot in injury time.
 
milks said:
You realise we haven't got the players to be dropping anyone at the moment?

Patterson isn't good enough
Armstrong isn't ready
Lindstrom for Harrison possibly, but he's hardly taken the chances he's had so far
Is Beto an improvement on DCL? I don't think so.
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Patterson is better than Young, cuz at this rate every RB in the league is.

"isn't ready" is the most comical thing anyone can say about a youth player honestly, especially one who's actually played his first senior games already. Hope he gets ready in the next 5 years, whatever this means.

Lindstrom played 30 min and should've had a definite assist last night. Harrison played 60 and did sweet FA.

Beto is at least not in the same run of form so we should give him a chance.

Or you know, stay with whatever doesn't work and hope it works.
 
milks said:
You realise we haven't got the players to be dropping anyone at the moment?

Patterson isn't good enough
Armstrong isn't ready
Lindstrom for Harrison possibly, but he's hardly taken the chances he's had so far
Is Beto an improvement on DCL? I don't think so.
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He’s better than Young
He’s better than Doucoure
We should be playing 3 at the back

So there’s that.
 

MikeH72 said:
Well yeah I would’ve thought so too, which is why I was absolutely stunned to learn just now that he’s spoken to Dyche and asked him about the players. Some of whom, like Patterson, he actively disliked.

Would you have been alarmed if Dyche came out after he was appointed and said that he’d been asking Lampard for his thoughts on the players?
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No, not really
 
The dychettes trying to make out they were right all along is quite amusing tbh.

No one is saying last night was anywhere close to what we need to be, but to deny that it was even slightly better than under Dyche is gaslighting.

The sooner Moyes launches Dyches favourites into orbit the more improvements we will see.

Patterson should be starting.
Obrien should be starting.
Armstrong should be starting.
I was hoping to see sherif get on last night just to see something different to the crap we’ve been forcefed.

I pray moyes plays the young, hungry players wanting to do well - not the has beens or never has beens running down contracts and looking for their next mark, doing next to feck all.
 
DualityNSNO said:
Yes and no - Dyche tactics don't expect anyone to move into any positions or play the ball ahead of anyone, just sit static, which they mostly still did.

Branthwaite and Gana had several great chances to play the ball ahead of Myko for a fast break, instead they aim it at the man, as do most players for no reason. Same with Harrison and Young several times. I don't mean Hollywood passes or something, just don't stop the player's run/movement every single time like.

I fully expect this to change soon, Moyes was clearly unhappy with it too, you need to move the ball better.
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My view is that those players should've taken it as a chance to show something different. Asking for the ball and moving out of position just to do that from time to time is the players responsibility. Harrison was a good example. Literally did nothing different from the rest of the season.

Absolute different levels but you see the better players when things aren't working trying to make things work. Which involves dropping, getting on the ball.

I've always said there's like 3 players in the whole squad who don't treat the ball like a hot coal.

It's not even about possession based, it just more about showing for it. Rarely saw that
 
MikeH72 said:
Well yeah I would’ve thought so too, which is why I was absolutely stunned to learn just now that he’s spoken to Dyche and asked him about the players. Some of whom, like Patterson, he actively disliked.

Would you have been alarmed if Dyche came out after he was appointed and said that he’d been asking Lampard for his thoughts on the players?
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Pretty normal thing to do in any job imo.
 

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