2024/25 David Moyes

[mccole]

1 and half training sessions and a game against a top side.

I think he has seen what needs to be done and what needs to improve.

We play Spurs at Home and if we fight like we did v Villa, we will do well.

After this week, we can get a week of training and hopefully a few new faces in time for Brighton away.

 

[billyblue80]

I wonder if he goes three at the back on Sunday. That 451 is just not working due to our ten being useless on the ball and our right side is useless

 

[Toffeelover]

Must appreciate he has a real task on hand.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Only positives for me were that we pressed a bit higher at times, Mykolenko was seemingly told it was ok to cross the half way line especially after half time and Moyes actually changed formation during a game and to three at the back which I had hoped he would start with and will now use going forwards as it would bring Ndaiye into a central position where he can influence the game.

DCL is being hammered but I think people don't take into account the thankless task he did for Dyche over 18 months of running himself into the ground without any support in the final third. It has drained him in every sense including his enjoyment of playing football. Yes of course he should score the big chance at the end and even the chance that was cleared off the line in the first half. Maybe I'm delusional but I believe if he can score a goal then he can go on a bit of a run with some confidence. The whole team lacked confidence. If we can beat Tottenham who will be missing their centre backs with a dodgy keeper from set pieces then I think that would really build some much needed confidence going forwards.

The entire team looks bereft of confidence.

 

[Thomasc]

Wholesale changes please for Sunday David. I don’t want to see Young, Doucoure, Harrison or DCL anywhere near the team.

In an ideal world the only time we’d see any of those again this season is off the bench.

Could do with Garner coming in and adding a bit of energy to the MF as well as Mangala and Gana is a bit bland.

Or play Garner at RB if need be and we need to move Patterson on if he’s not getting a look in. I’m sure there would be suitors in Scotland or the championship if he was made available for a move.

 

[Frosty1878]

I think Doucoure provides an essential ugly role to us out of possession.

My imagination of course can start saying things like 'well put Ndiaye in the 10, back 3, wing backs of 'Patto' and Myko, and Beto up front' but that is not conducive to results and managers essentially treat the line-up as risk assessment

The way managers are treating this shows me the quality of the squad we have.

The quality of the squads been clear to see for some years we’ve progressively got weaker. We haven’t hired Harry Potter who’s going to cast a spell over this squad. We’ve got someone who’s going to give 100% and do his best for us but at some point players to be held accountable. If we don’t make at least 3/4 signings we’re in trouble.

 

[pfim]

Didn't really think the match was all that bad, we obviously conceded defensive stability in order to attack. And while the attack was more attacking, these players suck so no goals again.

Back 3 might be able to help Tarkowski's lack of pace, Branthwaite's wandering and the two turtles in the middle of the park. Goal is a great example where if there was another CB there, they at least hold the play up and wait for support.

 

[MikeH72]

In an ideal world the only time we’d see any of those again this season is off the bench.

Could do with Garner coming in and adding a bit of energy to the MF as well as Mangala and Gana is a bit bland.

Or play Garner at RB if need be and we need to move Patterson on if he’s not getting a look in. I’m sure there would be suitors in Scotland or the championship if he was made available for a move.

I can’t advocate selling Patterson while we still have Ashley Young as our starting right back. If we buy a new right back then sure. But selling him just to keep that dusty fossil around would be ridiculous.

 

[Toffeepot]

The press was better, forced a few slip ups from villa. FBs look more like FBs. Some of the scrambles round their goal on another day could easily have ended up in the back of the net. Created more chances and if that continues our strikers will get calmer finishing because they'll know it isn't the only chance we'll get for two games. Strikers miss all the time. Way more than they score. Watching MOTD goals makes people think every other team's strikers are extra clinical.
Haaland missed as many as Dom the other day but he'll get another 4/5 chances next game and score

Moyes will definitely increase chance creation and I feel happy enough with the improvements on show last night

 

[Titus Bramble]

I really thought we'd get a result last night before the game, but it became apparent quite quickly how much more quality is in that Villa side compared to ours.

There were promising signs IMO:
- Taking individual errors out of it (Young and Branthwaite back passes), we looked pretty solid and I can only remember Pickford making 1x save of note relatively early in the first half, even if we had to soak up some pressure/get some last ditch blocks in.
- We looked to work the ball into dangerous positions, rather than relying on route 1 hoof to play for territory and look to only hurt them from set pieces.

Our lack of quality really showed. Every attack broke down when Doucoure got within 10 yards of the ball and Harrison offered nothing going forward. This allows teams to double up on Ndiaye and nullify him (he got in the ball more in the 2nd half without really creating).

I'm hoping Moyes stuck with a Dyche-esque starting line up (personnel wise) due to only having a couple of days worth of training with the squad beforehand and we'll see changes in the upcoming matches.

It's quite telling Moyes' words were "we're desperate to get more quality in"... I'm hoping we can be as swift with our player signings as we were with manager appointment, it's not panic stations yet, but the number of games left will disappear very quickly and we can't rely on those below us to also not pick up points for long.

 

[Yarrgh]

That was a bit of a free hit for Moyes. No one can expect miracles against a good strong side like Villa who came in and acted like a professional away team to take the points.

We at least showed a little hustle and tried to be more positive than we were under Dyche which is at least a good sign. We improve little by little and gradually over the remainder of the season then we should be fine. Hopefully get a couple of decent performances especially against the lower table teams to get us safety with plenty to spare.

Not how I wanted the final season at Goodison to be, but it is what it is, but at least now with Moyes we might see a couple more games there that remind us of what we are going to miss.

Also unlike Fat Sam, Koemann, Lampard, Spanish Waiter, and Dyche, I don't doubt Moyes's capabilities. I'll take that right now.

 

[Deleted member 50501]

That was a bit of a free hit for Moyes. No one can expect miracles against a good strong side like Villa who came in and acted like a professional away team to take the points.

Got a draw last season. Was at least hoping for that under a new manager bounce

 

[NathDogg]

Moyes gave the usual suspects a chance last night, and all but mykolenko failed miserably to impress or show anything different to the dross they have shown us prior.

If he doesn’t make wholesale changes to the starting 11 and shape/system for Sunday, then he needs his bumps feeling.

With no signings before then try 3521 with obrien in, Patterson and myko proper wing backs, mangala and gana in the middle as we have no one else fit, lindstrom and ndiaye more central to whatever striker we have, where they can affect play more and see what that brings.

Duocure and young out, and Harrison and Broja loans cancelled.

Get some more loans annd permanent transfers in and play some of the younger lads.

 

[NathDogg]

Got a draw last season. Was at least hoping for that under a new manager bounce

I see your hopes are higher under the new manager than they were for the previous chap.

 

[MACCA75]

Moyes gave the usual suspects a chance last night, and all but mykolenko failed miserably to impress or show anything different to the dross they have shown us prior.

If he doesn’t make wholesale changes to the starting 11 and shape/system for Sunday, then he needs his bumps feeling.

With no signings before then try 3521 with obrien in, Patterson and myko proper wing backs, mangala and gana in the middle as we have no one else fit, lindstrom and ndiaye more central to whatever striker we have, where they can affect play more and see what that brings.

Duocure and young out, and Harrison and Broja loans cancelled.

Get some more loans annd permanent transfers in and play some of the younger lads.

Ah the old 3-5-2-1. Hadn’t thought of that.