2024/25 David Moyes

[davek]

First goal of the Moyes era if my memory is right.
For those younger looking for the equvilency of what Moyes done in the past.
He essentially did what Howe and Emery have done in recent seasons with Villa and Newcastle except he did it with no money - we're talking CL.
Most other season he basically did what Brighton are doing now, getting Europe every season and we were a place a lot of up and coming young players wanted to come.

If my memory is right i think his last signing was one John Stones.

4 seasons out of 11 mate.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

I went to pretty much every single home game during the Moyes previous tenure including the European games and i remember enjoying loads of them. We were exciting and teams where terrified of coming to Goodison. Even though he likes to be solid in defence, attack and trying to win plays a big part too and you don't end up with gaps, a million side and back passes and hoof ball. We played some really nice stuff under him and he is nothing like Dyche. He has continued being in the game and learnt a lot more since then including winning a trophy.

Granted this team is nothing like what he built back then but if we can bring him in a few players of his choosing, i see no reason why he cannot bring some excitement back to a very bored and apathetic Goodison Park again.

Correct. We dominated the vast majority of our home games and it was generally just a question of whether we would score or whether the oppo would get one in the break or from a set piece. We generally squeezed teams back and didn’t let them play at all. I haven’t seen us do that consistently since Moyes left. Even when we have been playing well we still look really open and are easy to play through.

 

[Mr Happy]

Thought he did sehr gut !

 

[davek]

Sociedad brought him in mid season when in a relegation fight a d he kept them up Dave.

As for United - yeah huge drop in form, but that United team had its last dance under Fergie, not a chance he'd have stayed on for another as he knew the team had to be rebuilt again.

Ild say he's evened out his balance all told in post Everton management: been a collosall failure but taking WHU to any trophy is a big achievement.

His mode is bang average.

I dont think anyone wanted 2.5 years of that after Dyche.

 

[GoldenToffee]

Nowt much wrong with that apart from a bit of word order!

 

[Drico]

I'm hoping like the Oasis reunion he plays the original hits and no new material.

" We will go with what we've got "

" Bring a knife to a gunfight "

" The Everton fans are a disgrace "

"We had good times."

 

[RinkyDinker]

Because he scuttled them.

Moyes ruined one of the best football clubs in the world in 12 months.

While he certainly underperformed, it’s extreme to think he ruined them in 12 months, given he was only there for about 7!! Man Utd have made us seem ultra professional over these years and took our place in the Asylum. Whiskey nose Fergie knew they were a busted flush, hence why he quit when the ‘golden generation’ came to an end. Horrific task to follow after him, but nobody would have been able to sustain the Ferguson levels, once he had gone, nobody. Given our current predicament, and the need for a specific manager (firefighter basically), who would have genuinely recommended Everton go for instead of Moyes this moment, considering all of the associated risks ??

 

[DualityNSNO]

Moyes didn’t ‘bottle’ the cup final. The best team in Europe progressively pushed back an Everton team missing its three best players down the spine. We went one nil up and then missed a chance at 1-1 to go back in front.

The best team in Europe finished 3rd in the PL and didn't win anything in Europe though?

Wigan were able to win against City while being so atrocious they actually got relegated.

Not saying I agree with the "he's bottled it" part overall, it's his own limitation and he has acknowledged it by pretty much spelling it out with the "knife to a gunfight" soundbites and things like that,

For every one of your examples we can find the opposite ones, this proves nothing - for example the ONE Arsenal game we were good in that you chose, we've been thrashed by 5-6 goals several times. Doesn't change the fact we were constantly 6/7 at the time even with that.

He is a progressive manager and not a "route 1" like Dyche, this isn't/shouldn't even be a debate, and we did win the games which we 'should win' - we constantly won more than lost against the bottom 6-7 teams, that always puts you in a great position to challenge for Europe/higher places (Forest are currently doing that too). The issue was always going to be anyone he perceives as a bigger team, as he just doesn't know how to mix with those. Martinez didn't have that fear, for example, and we went and played against teams with freedom and tried to attack, and we did, and it was a success... for a year, then the Moyes coaching was lost and he failed as well as he's incredibly limited when it comes to overall team work.

I'm not the most pro-Moyes person but I can see he has some great upsides and can see this as a good stability hire, just like others should see he has some obvious downsides. He hasn't fully gotten rid of that fear imho but hopefully I'm wrong and he at least tries. Luckily for him we've gone through the atrocious games and he has an "easier" schedule currently.

 

[Lob]

4 seasons out of 11 mate.

We finished in the top 10 in the table 9 seasons out of his 11 and all but one of them were higher than 8th. In comparison, since he left we have managed it 4 times out of 12 under 7 different Managers.

Different game and different club now of course but nothing can take away from how well he did for us in his first tenure compared to how we have done since.

 

[CielosGrises]

Would we swap that front line for our equivalent now? Of course we would. Don't forget 5 months after Moyes signed, Rooney was making his debut as well.

I guess so - I'm still holding out hope that Dyches tactics / coaching were holding back some of our front line - but it could be wishful thinking.

If Broja is out and DCL and or Beto leave....what on earth would we do ?

 

[Lobworm]

Correct. We dominated the vast majority of our home games and it was generally just a question of whether we would score or whether the oppo would get one in the break or from a set piece. We generally squeezed teams back and didn’t let them play at all. I haven’t seen us do that consistently since Moyes left. Even when we have been playing well we still look really open and are easy to play through.

This to me is the interesting thing about the next 5 months. Whether Moyes, and his team, can mould something totally different out of what we currently have?

 

[KaiserEFC]

Realistically I think he keeps them up, the football becomes a little more palatable and then they have a crap start to next season and everybody’s talking about hi replacement. Rinse and repeat

 

[brieverton]

I'd cut him some slack for his time at Utd, partially but not completely. The falloff was significant.

The immediate successor to Ferguson was always going to have the toughest job, and they still aren't even close to moving on from him. Ferguson's success there will likely never be repeated.

He did an outstanding job with us, albeit our away record generally and against the traditional big four in particular was shocking, not a single win and became a huge burden on the team and on his record. It seemed that in any truly big game, his team didn't show up on the day.

 

[Eggs]

….apparently talking to the media at 16.00 today.

 

[davek]

While he certainly underperformed, it’s extreme to think he ruined them in 12 months, given he was only there for about 7!! Man Utd have made us seem ultra professional over these years and took our place in the Asylum. Whiskey nose Fergie knew they were a busted flush, hence why he quit when the ‘golden generation’ came to an end. Horrific task to follow after him, but nobody would have been able to sustain the Ferguson levels, once he had gone, nobody. Given our current predicament, and the need for a specific manager (firefighter basically), who would have genuinely recommended Everton go for instead of Moyes this moment, considering all of the associated risks ??

It was always going to be a tough ask.

But if they'd have got a top coach in those players respected like Ancelotti they'd have made the transition a lot smoother.

I think SAF believed Moyes could do a rebuild after seeing his astute purchasing at Everton. He just wasn't savvy as a coach on the football side though and those players could probably sense it and got him out hoping United would then make the right choice.