David Moyes - Taking a knife to a gunfight at West Ham, Part 2

[Disgruntledgoat]

From the BBC's transfer roundup:

Stevie M: Bowen is the real deal. Every bit as good as the overrated Maddison for me. Will be a class signing for West Ham. They badly need a striker though - Lawrence Shankland [Dundee United striker] would be ideal.

I've never heard of Lawrence Shankland, but I'm going to make the mad suggestion that if he was any good he wouldn't be playing in the Scottish Championship aged 24.

 

[Ihaters]

Why did he not show him videos of some of the CB greats Rio will have seen play like Baresi Nesta Kohler Cannavaro Hierro as an example.

Rio must have left the room thinking How the **** is this guy our manager. when he's being schooled to defend like a low block defender with not much pace who wasn't fit to lace his boots.

But comments by Rio about Moyes's time at United are pretty much that, pretty scathing about his training methods and how out of his depth he was.

Moyes loves a triple DM midfield btw.

Maybe they played differently to how Moyes wanted them to set up?

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Maybe they played differently to how Moyes wanted them to set up?

"Hit the channels!"

 

[Ihaters]

"Hit the channels!"

Maybe, suspect there was more to it in our turnaround in fortune though

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Maybe, suspect there was more to it in our turnaround in fortune though

Sorry, I think I referenced it earlier in the thread. My brother is the only person from Liverpool ever to support Manchester United and used to have a season ticket there. He recalled Moyes yelling this all the time early in his tenure.

Basically turning a Ferguson side into a team who wanted to soak up pressure then move the ball quickly out to the flanks... at home.

 

[Papa Shango]

I've never heard of Lawrence Shankland, but I'm going to make the mad suggestion that if he was any good he wouldn't be playing in the Scottish Championship aged 24.

He looks a decent player to be fair. Some players take longer to break through. His scoring record (albeit in lower level Scottish football) is ridiculous.

Massive step up though obviously. He is one of those who is worth a punt at the right price but you cant pin all your hopes on him either.

 

[Alan Whittle]

Absolute desperation stakes this from Moyes. Haven’t got a decent defender at the club but collecting attacking midfielders and wingers for stupid money.

This signing is just for the Dildo Brothers to head off the gammon rent a mob at the game tomorrow.

 

[Connor]

Not got a great record when spending mega money, mind you.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

I've never heard of Lawrence Shankland, but I'm going to make the mad suggestion that if he was any good he wouldn't be playing in the Scottish Championship aged 24.

Like Van Dijk when he played at Celtic?

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Like Van Dijk when he played at Celtic?

I must have missed the point where Dundee United are getting regular European football and are a recognized stepping stone to a decent league. Or the bit where Van Dijk spent 7 years playing regularly without making a top flight appearance in a terrible league.

 

[SantaClausisanEvertonian]

I still have the utmost respect for Moysie after his time with us but my hatred of the 'ammers goes far deeper than my respect for Davie.
I'm so looking forward to them struggling in the Championship in front of 25,000 at best.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

I know today’s consensus is that he is not good enough and a backward step, and the bids and tapping up of players on his flying visit of Man U leaves a bad taste.. but I still have a soft spot for him, he turned us into street fighters when we needed it most and made a team that would fight.

Have him back.. not a chance. But he did a good job when funds were tight.

Yes agree with all that until the point he took the mick put of us and stayed on for a couple of games after he'd signed for United. I blame Kenwright more but that carnival had us pegged as a little Tranmere or something. Shameful.

 

[Minimeister]

DixieScoresAgain is a kopite who likes to argue that Liverpool have been frugal in the transfer market by breaking transfer world records in multiple positions, on an Everton forum, whilst pretending to be an Everton fan, whilst his team is top of the league.

He crawled under a rock for a few days when he was almost outed now he's back. Talking of low blocks and that. They have this strange belief that people want to hear their opinions.

 

[artetas_biggest_fan]

My brother rates Fellaini as the least talented player he ever saw for united. I would dispute that but Moyes just had him run around kicking people and never played to his strengths except when putting him up top to knock down headers.

He told me of one home game where Fellaini once got the ball at his feet in midfield and had no idea what he was supposed to do. In the end he held it up as long as he could and passed it out for a throw in... David Moyes ladies and gentlemen

I still maintain that Fellaini going to United at that time wasn't a bad buy as a jack of all trades. Throw him on with 20 minutes to go and he can play defensively and can cause mayhem up front if they were chasing a game. A rugged style, but effective for a team at the very top who need an extra dimension to their play that they wouldn't normally use. The big thing was not refreshing the players who should be starters. Anyway, yesterday's news and yesterday's man.

Having him to throw on as a last resort (when actual football isn’t breaking down a stubborn defence) is not a bad option to have. Problem is he was not a last resort. He was integral to the Moysie way, the non footballing way.

Often a manager will have a player that reflects his managerial style, for example Roy Keane was regarded as “Fergie on the pitch”. They share many characteristics (in this case, driven, take no prisoners, inspirational, fight to the end, winner). Fellaini was just such a figure for Moyes. Plenty of graft, no style, ugly to watch, and devoid of success.

 

[Minimeister]

This the same Feliiani who the United fans ended up taking to and became a regular under other United managers?