David Moyes - Taking a knife to a gunfight at West Ham, Part 2

[4737carlin]

Ancelotti says hi

Ancelotti was crap, easy one of the worst post Moyes, 10th and 12th might be ok for you but not for me, point me in the direction of one season when he got us in the top 6? or top 8 for that matter, something Moyes did plenty of times. Besides he was a rat who bailed on us 3 months before actually telling us

 

[Ivo]

Ancelotti was crap, easy one of the worst post Moyes, 10th and 12th might be ok for you but not for me, point me in the direction of one season when he got us in the top 6? or top 8 for that matter, something Moyes did plenty of times. Besides he was a rat who bailed on us 3 months before actually telling us

You said we haven't had a better manager than moyes since he left. Ancelotti is a better manager than moyes, there can be no argument about it. Just look at what he's won ffs.

 

[4737carlin]

You said we haven't had a better manager than moyes since he left. Ancelotti is a better manager than moyes, there can be no argument about it. Just look at what he's won ffs.

Not for Everton he wasn't, he was rubbish

 

[Aberblue]

Ancelotti was crap, easy one of the worst post Moyes, 10th and 12th might be ok for you but not for me, point me in the direction of one season when he got us in the top 6? or top 8 for that matter, something Moyes did plenty of times. Besides he was a rat who bailed on us 3 months before actually telling us

Didn't Moyes do the same?

 

[4737carlin]

Didn't Moyes do the same?

No, we knew he was going.

 

[BlueStevie35]

No, we knew he was going.

And Moyes agreed to it 2 months before it was made public

 

[4737carlin]

And Moyes agreed to it 2 months before it was made public

Yeah but I don't recall him downing tools like Carlo did and allowing players to lose interest in Everton.
Moyes was a good servant.

 

[Simon Buttle]

Yeah but I don't recall him downing tools like Carlo did and allowing players to lose interest in Everton.
Moyes was a good servant.

Moyes was one of the highest paid managers in the game when he was here and he should have returned a trophy given the money he was on.

 

[4737carlin]

Moyes was one of the highest paid managers in the game when he was here and he should have returned a trophy given the money he was on.

Yeah he should, but even without a trophy its wrong to give him anything other then respect, especially considering what has happened since he left.
He will always be welcomed back at Goodison, or should be.

 

[Simon Buttle]

Yeah he should, but even without a trophy its wrong to give him anything other then respect, especially considering what has happened since he left.
He will always be welcomed back at Goodison, or should be.

He treated the club with utter disdain at the end though, he had a move lined up months before he left, he could have gone which would have led to us gaining a small bit of much needed compensation (not much but any would have helped due to Kenwrights complete lack of resources) then he came back with paltry offers for players which he knew we could hardly refuse due to the clubs financial situation (Thankfully although Baines maybe an RS at heart he stuck to his scouse roots and wasn't ever playing for a manc club)
You keep going on about what has happened since he has left, well what you fail to recognise(or keep leaving out on purpose) is that the league had a totally different dynamic about it back in the days of Moyes. The PL consisted of a big 4 whereas now there are 6, possibly even 7 big teams. Comparing any manager now to back then is ludicrous as it's just not the same for multiple different reasons. The same applies to your whole Kenwright vs Moshiri argument. Realistically they can't be compared as they have operated in different eras of the league under different conditions.

 

[4737carlin]

He treated the club with utter disdain at the end though, he had a move lined up months before he left, he could have gone which would have led to us gaining a small bit of much needed compensation

No he couldn't, he went to United who had a manager right till the final game of the season, so he couldn't of gone a day earlier and we couldn't of got a penny of compensation.

(not much but any would have helped due to Kenwrights complete lack of resources)

which makes this point impossible

then he came back with paltry offers for players which he knew we could hardly refuse due to the clubs financial situation

nothing wrong with that, did you complain about Silva going back for Richarlison?

(Thankfully although Baines maybe an RS at heart he stuck to his scouse roots and wasn't ever playing for a manc club)

We got an amazing price for Felliani, were did we come the following season without him?

You keep going on about what has happened since he has left, well what you fail to recognise(or keep leaving out on purpose) is that the league had a totally different dynamic about it back in the days of Moyes. The PL consisted of a big 4 whereas now there are 6, possibly even 7 big teams. Comparing any manager now to back then is ludicrous as it's just not the same for multiple different reasons.

the problem isn't the dynamic of the league but the way the owner has hired and fired managers and his poor recruitment, when you operate like Farhhad it doesn't matter what the dynamic of the league is like

The same applies to your whole Kenwright vs Moshiri argument. Realistically they can't be compared as they have operated in different eras of the league under different conditions.

They can't be compared becuase one has been a total disaster while the other at least had us top 6

 

[degsy]

for what it’s worth if he finishes 17th and wins the europa conference league it would genuinely be the best season in West Ham’s history

Apart from the Cup Winners Cup in 1965 and maybe the World Cup in 1966.

 

[4737carlin]

Apart from the Cup Winners Cup in 1965 and maybe the World Cup in 1966.

This has been mentioned before about the ECWC, I think because it dosent exist now some younger dont realize it was a big honour at the time, bigger then the UEFA as you had to win something to be in it

 

[twoblue]

Moyes was one of the highest paid managers in the game when he was here and he should have returned a trophy given the money he was on.

This bs.
We had one of lowest salaries in the division during his tenure and constantly over achieved.

 

[DualityNSNO]

This bs.
We had one of lowest salaries in the division during his tenure and constantly over achieved.

He was one of the highest paid managers in the game, however.

And what Si says is true.