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neonleon

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Moyes has said recently that this is the darkest time for him as Everton manager and he fears going back to the days of fighting in the other half of the league. Well, what the [Poor language removed] has happened with the transfer policy?

Seems like the last few seasons Moyes has been offloading the deadweights (naysmith), the older players (stubbs, weir), the flops (beattie), the stopgaps (marcus bent) and distilling an Everton without average players. In the last season for the first time since the 80's there wasn't a player I was really unhappy to see in an Everton shirt.

Of course not everyone is a Ronaldo or a Kaka, but every player had something to offer and was capable of changing a game or consistently giving positive contributions to matches.

Moyes equally seemed to have attributed our sluggish performances in the tail end of the season and vs. fiorentina as down to our limited squad numbers. Of course as we all know with Carsley moving down to Birmingham and loan signings Gravesen (well his knees were [Poor language removed] anyway) and Fernandes (what happened to the real fernandes of the season before?) departing we are even shorter on players. And then we sold AJ - which is coming out in the wash as more AJ wanted to go than we were cashing in on the Fulham money.

Moyes says we need 6 -7 players, but I reckon with some luck we could make do with 5, provided that two players from the youth set up can step up - whether that be Baxter, Irving, Rodwell, Gosling, Lukas or whoever.

Midfield as we all know is the chronic problem, especially if we are playing 4-4-1-1 again, as proved so successful last season.
We probably need minimum three players here if not more like four. With faddy and AJ gone we need another striker. I think Zigic on loan would be a great signing - Valencia paid a [Poor language removed] fortune for him, but I get the feeling the best players in the world would look like [Poor language removed] in Valencia at the moment (must be that Everton curse we all wished on them after they stole Manny of us). Not just an aerial threat as everyone supposes, he has touch and can place a shot as well.

We obviously have money to spend, but Moyes as ever parsimonious in nature, wont pay over the odds. Problem being our lack of squad numbers is over publicised, any club knows they can bump the price up at the moment as frankly there is a whiff of desperation hanging over the clubs transfer policy. Compounding this, is the higher echelon targets we are aiming for (little point replacing the departures with worse or similar players) are always going to be hard to sign - especially given Moyes' historic refusal to pay agents handsomely (cant say I blame him, their [Poor language removed]' parasites but this is how you sign world class players).

M'Bia, Moutinho are potential world class players - the kind of players United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Milan and Barcelona buy.
It was never gonna be a walk in the park to sign them, although the argument that we are just [Poor language removed] offering ridiculously low sums for players is I think erroneous as well. The clubs are overvaluing their players, primarily because they don’t want to sell them. It’s a bit like selling Arteta - we'd ask 20 million for him, because we don’t want to sell him. We have to weigh up whether they will break and sell for less, walk away or pay them the full 23 million.

I'm glad Moyes hasn't appeased the fans just by buying. Yes, all the clubs in the premiership (apart from maybe united) have bought players - but how many of them are any good? How many have potential to be world class? How many of them have just thrown money around, paying over the odds to agents, clubs, players - for dross, flops or journeyman players? Look at the money Sunderland have spent???Christ!!!

Moyes isn't Benitez. The benitez method is to buy twenty players every season - each costing about £2 - 6 million, and one or two really expensive signings (these are the ones that will be any good). He'll also let go twenty players from the season before that were all [Poor language removed]. Moyes is the laser beam not the scatter gun - he targets what he needs and pursues it.

Unfortunately there are not a great deal of potential world class players out there. His scouting network by the sound of it has identified a handful of players and there have been obstacles signing all of them (the olympics hasn't helped). We are coming of course to the crunch and hopefully there will be a 'plan B' if in the final days of the transfer window none of the 'plan A' players can be signed.

But I'd sooner wait and struggle vs. WBA and get beaten by Blackburn if the club are making an almighty effort to sign players that will be the future and heritage of Everton football club. And I believe that is the case, as I trust in the Chairman and I have total, total faith in David Moyes.

One Moutinho's got to be worth ten Jason Koumas's.

(we'll probs sign Koumas now that I've said that)

Keep the faith people,

The darkest hour is right before the dawn.
 

Just bring Manuel Henrique Tavares Fernandes, after João Filipe Iria Santos Moutinho he is our best option. Moyes needs to work fast and he can't just bring numbers in, we need decent quality. Fernandes knows the club and he's got friends here, I'm sure he'd join.

I'd take big Nikola Žigić, we need a target man and he'd be a useful addition whether he's used from the start or as a bench player who can come on and change things with his aerial ability.

I still think we will get Stéphane Mbia Etoundi, Rennes have already brought his replacement in (Abdou Kader Mangane) and do not have the wage bill to keep him happy. I doubt they'd want to keep a unhappy player on there books and Big Ste has proven he's a bit of a loud mouth. We might have to pay over the odds a bit but I expect Stéphane Mbia Etoundi to be an Everton player.

I'd be happy with Stéphane Mbia Etoundi, Nikola Žigić and Manuel Henrique Tavares Fernandes. All three are good players, all three would offer something and they play in positions that we need strengthening. They could cost a combined 16-18 million. 8-10 for Fernandes, 6-8 for Mbia and a loan for Zigic.

Anything else after that is just a bonus, loans or free transfers just to boost the numbers.
 

Much as I would like Fernandes back TB I am not sure that he would want to come in in the current climate.
How can we expect any decent players to come here if our Manager has STILL not signed his contract ! There were rumours left, right and centre about the reasons for this but the main rumour was that he was waiting to see how much money he had to spend. This now appears to be untrue as there has been money to spend, allegedly, since May/June ?
I don`t care what he says the GhostOfDixie stated on one of the threads here that it was FACT that at least two players would be arriving soon. I have trawled through a lot of threads but this post has mysteriously disappeared. This is not having a go at Mr.Ghost but merely stating that it is possible that he has been hoodwinked along with the rest of us !
I am now not sure whether Moyes will stay. I am not even sure if I want him to stay after this summer of lost opportunity. It is possible that he has been dithering but I, personally, do not think so. As for Mr. "Watch this space" Kenwright words literally fail me. How he can preside over the wreckage of this summer is beyond me !
 
Much as I would like Fernandes back TB I am not sure that he would want to come in in the current climate.
How can we expect any decent players to come here if our Manager has STILL not signed his contract ! There were rumours left, right and centre about the reasons for this but the main rumour was that he was waiting to see how much money he had to spend. This now appears to be untrue as there has been money to spend, allegedly, since May/June ?
I don`t care what he says the GhostOfDixie stated on one of the threads here that it was FACT that at least two players would be arriving soon. I have trawled through a lot of threads but this post has mysteriously disappeared. This is not having a go at Mr.Ghost but merely stating that it is possible that he has been hoodwinked along with the rest of us !
I am now not sure whether Moyes will stay. I am not even sure if I want him to stay after this summer of lost opportunity. It is possible that he has been dithering but I, personally, do not think so. As for Mr. "Watch this space" Kenwright words literally fail me. How he can preside over the wreckage of this summer is beyond me !


if you don't think the transfer debacle isn't the ginger ninja's fault, why is it your not sure if you would want him to stay??
 
Moyes has said recently that this is the darkest time for him as Everton manager and he fears going back to the days of fighting in the other half of the league. Well, what the [Poor language removed] has happened with the transfer policy?

Seems like the last few seasons Moyes has been offloading the deadweights (naysmith), the older players (stubbs, weir), the flops (beattie), the stopgaps (marcus bent) and distilling an Everton without average players. In the last season for the first time since the 80's there wasn't a player I was really unhappy to see in an Everton shirt.

Of course not everyone is a Ronaldo or a Kaka, but every player had something to offer and was capable of changing a game or consistently giving positive contributions to matches.

Moyes equally seemed to have attributed our sluggish performances in the tail end of the season and vs. fiorentina as down to our limited squad numbers. Of course as we all know with Carsley moving down to Birmingham and loan signings Gravesen (well his knees were [Poor language removed] anyway) and Fernandes (what happened to the real fernandes of the season before?) departing we are even shorter on players. And then we sold AJ - which is coming out in the wash as more AJ wanted to go than we were cashing in on the Fulham money.

Moyes says we need 6 -7 players, but I reckon with some luck we could make do with 5, provided that two players from the youth set up can step up - whether that be Baxter, Irving, Rodwell, Gosling, Lukas or whoever.

Midfield as we all know is the chronic problem, especially if we are playing 4-4-1-1 again, as proved so successful last season.
We probably need minimum three players here if not more like four. With faddy and AJ gone we need another striker. I think Zigic on loan would be a great signing - Valencia paid a [Poor language removed] fortune for him, but I get the feeling the best players in the world would look like [Poor language removed] in Valencia at the moment (must be that Everton curse we all wished on them after they stole Manny of us). Not just an aerial threat as everyone supposes, he has touch and can place a shot as well.

We obviously have money to spend, but Moyes as ever parsimonious in nature, wont pay over the odds. Problem being our lack of squad numbers is over publicised, any club knows they can bump the price up at the moment as frankly there is a whiff of desperation hanging over the clubs transfer policy. Compounding this, is the higher echelon targets we are aiming for (little point replacing the departures with worse or similar players) are always going to be hard to sign - especially given Moyes' historic refusal to pay agents handsomely (cant say I blame him, their [Poor language removed]' parasites but this is how you sign world class players).

M'Bia, Moutinho are potential world class players - the kind of players United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Milan and Barcelona buy.
It was never gonna be a walk in the park to sign them, although the argument that we are just [Poor language removed] offering ridiculously low sums for players is I think erroneous as well. The clubs are overvaluing their players, primarily because they don’t want to sell them. It’s a bit like selling Arteta - we'd ask 20 million for him, because we don’t want to sell him. We have to weigh up whether they will break and sell for less, walk away or pay them the full 23 million.

I'm glad Moyes hasn't appeased the fans just by buying. Yes, all the clubs in the premiership (apart from maybe united) have bought players - but how many of them are any good? How many have potential to be world class? How many of them have just thrown money around, paying over the odds to agents, clubs, players - for dross, flops or journeyman players? Look at the money Sunderland have spent???Christ!!!

Moyes isn't Benitez. The benitez method is to buy twenty players every season - each costing about £2 - 6 million, and one or two really expensive signings (these are the ones that will be any good). He'll also let go twenty players from the season before that were all [Poor language removed]. Moyes is the laser beam not the scatter gun - he targets what he needs and pursues it.

Unfortunately there are not a great deal of potential world class players out there. His scouting network by the sound of it has identified a handful of players and there have been obstacles signing all of them (the olympics hasn't helped). We are coming of course to the crunch and hopefully there will be a 'plan B' if in the final days of the transfer window none of the 'plan A' players can be signed.

But I'd sooner wait and struggle vs. WBA and get beaten by Blackburn if the club are making an almighty effort to sign players that will be the future and heritage of Everton football club. And I believe that is the case, as I trust in the Chairman and I have total, total faith in David Moyes.

One Moutinho's got to be worth ten Jason Koumas's.

(we'll probs sign Koumas now that I've said that)

Leon the answer is in the avator, its been to long mate and your post reminds me of the reason why, total class!(y)

Keep the faith people,

The darkest hour is right before the dawn.

Leon the answer is in the avator, its been to long and your post reminds me of the reason why!(y)
 
what do you mean?

this is Andy's season.

Thanks people.

I think fernandes hasn't been pursued because of his attitude and accomplishment last season. Didn't look the same player, with the same hunger. A lot of that may be down to his fitness, but a player can't take half a season to get fully fit. I think he lost motivation myself - if Moyes considers him lazy he's probably not going to sign him.
 
Welcome back leon.
Moysie has worked wonders here he ha given us a team to be proud of but kenwright has got 1 more week to [Poor language removed] it up completely.
 

what do you mean?

this is Andy's season.

Thanks people.

I think fernandes hasn't been pursued because of his attitude and accomplishment last season. Didn't look the same player, with the same hunger. A lot of that may be down to his fitness, but a player can't take half a season to get fully fit. I think he lost motivation myself - if Moyes considers him lazy he's probably not going to sign him.

To be fair to him he didn't. He only played about 11 games and injuries disrupted those games. People forget that he was carrying an injury when he got here and injured himself at City.

I still think Moyes is making a mistake in not signing him, unless he signs Moutinho ofcourse.
 
Manny - not exactly uprooted trees at Valencia although they have a load of class players that all seemed to have turned crap at once, so that probs says more about the management, coaching staff and morale than anything.

just looked a little slow and lazy, but again, could be fitness.

any point buying a player that could have fitness/injury probs in our current predicament?

I wonder what they want for him anyway? £6m tops in the current climate.

Still someone who can play football that's not just out of nappies will do for now.
 

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