Daily Mail: Everton line up The Wally with the Brolly

[mrb85]

Winning a trophy is. Something Moyes has never done.

The fixation on the relegation is an utter load of crap. He kept them up for three seasons when he had not right to do so. As did Royle with Oldham, and he did alright with Everton.

I bet you weren't whinging when Martinez delivered our best points and wins in a season for 27 years last season. He dispelled the 'relegation' stuff then.

Arsene Wenger got Nancy relegated from Ligue 1 in 1986/87.
Rafael Benitez got Extremadura relegated from La Liga in 1998/99.

Both went on to be fairly decent managers.

Sod the clubs they left behind then.....

 

[BoysInBlue]

Sod the clubs they left behind then.....

I think if you ask any Wigan fan, they're grateful for the trophy that Martinez gave them. Something none of them will ever forget for the rest of their lives. The ones I know thinks so, and think the relegation was inevitable for years, and that virtually no one could have kept them up.

Let's face it, you're basically saying Martinez is crap because of one blot on his managerial achievement notebook, when there are far more positives than there are negatives - starting the Swansea revolution and movement up the divisions, winning them their first title on the road back, keeping Wigan up for 3 seasons on a shoestring budget in front of tiny crowds compared to other teams, achieving Everton's best points and win tally for 27 years, doing well in Europe....

If you're going to evaluate a manager fairly, focusing on one negative thing is just silly.

Every manager going has at least one negative blot on the career, some a lot more than that.

 

[ijjysmith]

I'm struggling at the moment with him. I really am.

I'm not quite in the 'MARTINEZ OUT' camp but I can see me not being far away.

I don't really care how we did last season. Nor that he won the cup with Wigan. Nor that he got them relegated. Not that he did ok with Swansea.

He's doing sh*te right now. And there will be a time when enough is enough.

However, he has time to fix it. I'm far from 100% sure he can fix it though. Moyes had our support for longer than this and in a way Martinez deserves this too.

It's just very difficult to give it to him when everything, literally everything, looks terrible at the moment.

I've written a very confusing post there. But that's where I am at the moment. Confused. I want to give him support but he's not giving anything to me to make me support him.

I need a lie down.

 

[Khalekan]

How many points do you guys think is the safety mark this season?

 

[riddick]

I'm struggling at the moment with him. I really am.

I'm not quite in the 'MARTINEZ OUT' camp but I can see me not being far away.

I don't really care how we did last season. Nor that he won the cup with Wigan. Nor that he got them relegated. Not that he did ok with Swansea.

He's doing sh*te right now. And there will be a time when enough is enough.

However, he has time to fix it. I'm far from 100% sure he can fix it though. Moyes had our support for longer than this and in a way Martinez deserves this too.

It's just very difficult to give it to him when everything, literally everything, looks terrible at the moment.

I've written a very confusing post there. But that's where I am at the moment. Confused. I want to give him support but he's not giving anything to me to make me support him.

I need a lie down.

This may be confusing but this is almost exactly how I feel too.

 

[Khalekan]

I am not confident about getting a win at all these days.

But.

We have Baggies, Burnley, Leicester, Sunderland all to visit Goodison.

We have QPR, Villa, Palace and Hull away.

Six wins and a draw takes us to 40 points.

But I reckon about 36 should do it.

 

[Elong]

How many points do you guys think is the safety mark this season?

Probably 35 max the way it's shaping up, there's some tripe in this league. We'll be 100% safe, relegation isn't even a thought of mine.

 

[allezlesbleus]

I am not confident about getting a win at all these days.

But.

We have Baggies, Burnley, Leicester, Sunderland all to visit Goodison.

We have QPR, Villa, Palace and Hull away.

Six wins and a draw takes us to 40 points.

But I reckon about 36 should do it.

This is genuinely heart breaking! No way should we be sweating on how we can get to 40 points with this squad. Crap league season, cups may be our salvation.

 

[Lionel Naismith]

As if everton will get relegated, Holloway could be the manager and we'd stay up.
No Europe next season for us though..unless we do the unthinkable

 

[BoysInBlue]

I'm struggling at the moment with him. I really am.

I'm not quite in the 'MARTINEZ OUT' camp but I can see me not being far away.

I don't really care how we did last season. Nor that he won the cup with Wigan. Nor that he got them relegated. Not that he did ok with Swansea.

He's doing sh*te right now. And there will be a time when enough is enough.

However, he has time to fix it. I'm far from 100% sure he can fix it though. Moyes had our support for longer than this and in a way Martinez deserves this too.

It's just very difficult to give it to him when everything, literally everything, looks terrible at the moment.

I've written a very confusing post there. But that's where I am at the moment. Confused. I want to give him support but he's not giving anything to me to make me support him.

I need a lie down.

I agree with all of that. Which is why you just need a bit of faith. And there's no point making a kneejerk 'Martinez Out' decision now. I mentioned his past because some people appear to be relishing our crap form and cannot wait to put their boot into someone they have clearly never rated, which is ridiculous given his track record.

The idea that there will 'come a time when enough is enough' is interesting, because we're still in 2 cup competitions, not directly in a relegation battle, but are clearly not doing too well. There are a lot of mitigating factors for this - Martinez is going to be hardpressed to magic up a winning run of form when we have so many key players injured/suspended/out of form, doubly so when we have Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea in the next 6 league games.

People are going to have to be realistic and patient, and also look at history and how the EFC board have backed managers A LOT in the past during similar bad runs of form. There were 3 occasions in Moyes tenure where he would probably have been sacked at any other club but wasn't.

Kenwright isn't going to sack Martinez unless things are absolutely dire, like 'in the bottom 3 in April' dire. And yes, that is somewhat scary, if it happens.

I don't think that will happen to us; we'll stablise things and finish about mid-table.

 

[mrb85]

I agree with all of that. Which is why you just need a bit of faith. And there's no point making a kneejerk 'Martinez Out' decision now. I mentioned his past because some people appear to be relishing our crap form and cannot wait to put their boot into someone they have clearly never rated, which is ridiculous given his track record.

The idea that there will 'come a time when enough is enough' is interesting, because we're still in 2 cup competitions, not directly in a relegation battle, but are clearly not doing too well. There are a lot of mitigating factors for this - Martinez is going to be hardpressed to magic up a winning run of form when we have so many key players injured/suspended/out of form, doubly so when we have Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea in the next 6 league games.

People are going to have to be realistic and patient, and also look at history and how the EFC board have backed managers A LOT in the past during similar bad runs of form. There were 3 occasions in Moyes tenure where he would probably have been sacked at any other club but wasn't.

Kenwright isn't going to sack Martinez unless things are absolutely dire, like 'in the bottom 3 in April' dire. And yes, that is somewhat scary, if it happens.

I don't think that will happen to us; we'll stablise things and finish about mid-table.

Love that bit of praise - 'we're still in 2 cup competitions'. It's difficult to get knocked out of the FA Cup before you've played in it.

 

[ijjysmith]

I agree with all of that. Which is why you just need a bit of faith. And there's no point making a kneejerk 'Martinez Out' decision now. I mentioned his past because some people appear to be relishing our crap form and cannot wait to put their boot into someone they have clearly never rated, which is ridiculous given his track record.

The idea that there will 'come a time when enough is enough' is interesting, because we're still in 2 cup competitions, not directly in a relegation battle, but are clearly not doing too well. There are a lot of mitigating factors for this - Martinez is going to be hardpressed to magic up a winning run of form when we have so many key players injured/suspended/out of form, doubly so when we have Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea in the next 6 league games.

People are going to have to be realistic and patient, and also look at history and how the EFC board have backed managers A LOT in the past during similar bad runs of form. There were 3 occasions in Moyes tenure where he would probably have been sacked at any other club but wasn't.

Kenwright isn't going to sack Martinez unless things are absolutely dire, like 'in the bottom 3 in April' dire. And yes, that is somewhat scary, if it happens.

I don't think that will happen to us; we'll stablise things and finish about mid-table.

I don't necessarily disagree with all that mate but I worry at some things you say.

Like yeah we are still in 2 cups. But in your heart of hearts you can't possibly think we are going to win either. We don't win them in seasons we are playing well let alone the dirge we are being served up at the moment. (Really hope you can vault me on that at the end of the season of course!).

I refuse to blame injuries too. Yes we've had a lot. But not even the worst in the league. Every team gets injuries. And copes. We aren't coping.

You say with some certainty that we will stabilise. What if we don't? You can't say this for certain.