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[Lao]

Let's get reasonable about things Dunc.

We aren't going to be challenging the top 4, and we aren't going to be amongst the bottom 7.

So there's 9 teams left, one of them's us, there's 8 teams. Out of them 8 teams who will be challenging 5th?

Citeh - improved
Spuds - improved
Villa - poss weaker than last season
West Ham - stayed same

Push top four or top ten finish anyone?

 

[Bundy]

We have the mighty Hibbert.

 

[Goat]

Starter for ten, How many players have the four clubs that finished above us last season actually signed? Whilst calculating, please factor in how many players they have let go so as to allow an overall conclusion regarding squad depth to be ascertained.

Arsenal :

OUT
Kolo Toure £ 16,000,000 Manchester City
Emmanuel Adebayor Undisclosed Manchester City
Amaury Bischoff Contract Ended
Rui Fonte Contract Ended
Abu Ogogo Contract Ended
Paul Rodgers Contract Ended
Rene Steer Contract Ended
Havard Nordtveit On Loan Lillestrom

IN
Thomas Vermaelen Undisclosed Ajax

ManUtd

OUT
Manucho Undisclosed Real Valladolid
Richard Eckersley Undisclosed Burnley
Fraizer Campbell £ 3,500,000 Sunderland
Lee Martin Undisclosed Ipswich Town
Rodrigo Possebon On Loan Braga
Cristiano Ronaldo £ 80,000,000 Real Madrid

IN
Michael Owen Free Transfer Newcastle United
Gabriel Obertan Undisclosed Bordeaux
Antonio Valencia Undisclosed Wigan Athletic

Chelsea

OUT
Scott Sinclair On Loan Wigan Athletic
Ryan Bertrand On Loan Reading
Franco Di Santo On Loan Blackburn Rovers
Morten Nielsen Free Transfer AZ Alkmaar
Lee Sawyer On Loan Southend United
Jimmy Smith Free Transfer Leyton Orient
Tom Taiwo On Loan Carlisle United
Ben Sahar Undisclosed Espanyol
Slobodan Rajkovic On Loan FC Twente

IN
Yuri Zhirkov Undisclosed CSKA Moscow
Daniel Sturridge Undisclosed Manchester City
Ross Turnbull Free Transfer Middlesbrough
Andriy Shevchenko Loan : Expired AC Milan
Scott Sinclair Loan : Expired Birmingham City

RS

OUT

Jermaine Pennant Free Transfer Real Zaragoza
Ryan Flynn On Loan Falkirk
Sebastian Leto £ 1,300,000 Panathinaikos
Sami Hyypia Free Transfer Bayer Leverkusen
Jack Hobbs Undisclosed Leicester City
Paul Anderson £ 250,000 Nottingham Forest
Miki Roque Released
Alonso

IN
Glen Johnson Undisclosed Portsmouth
Alberto Aquilani

 

[Azzbot]

I am prepared to be reasonable, and I commend you for your willingness at the same time. What I struggle to get on terms with is "We aren't going to be challenging the top 4", the summer we sold Rooney, bought Bent and Cahill, there were fans and even players (Radzinski) that were predicting a season of turmoil, and struggle. How wrong they all were. It is very rare now to find said individuals, in fact, it is impossible. Such is the nature of certain football fans.
Only last summer plenty of 'the Goodison faithful' wrote Neville off, turned out a real trooper in my eyes. And last summer there were plenty sl@*ging Jagielka off. What a difference 10 months makes. No one gave Osman any crappola the day of our first victory at Fulham in forty (?) years. Still, lets all tear the club and the manager and the squad and the board to pieces because we have not matched this years w@***rs Man City pound for pound. Who was it last summer? Sunderland for Malbranque and Richardson?

When at Goodison and we score and we win I never feel closer to my fellow Everton fans. Never has that feeling extended to the bitching and moaning that the internet provides medium for.

The key word there is bought. Who have we bought who is even first team material? (Bar Jo who was already here).

Your obviously not much of a realist, but to be honest, I used to think the sun shined out of Everton's arse. Turns out it doesn't.

 

[SuitsBlueX2]

Arsenal :

OUT
Kolo Toure £ 16,000,000 Manchester City
Emmanuel Adebayor Undisclosed Manchester City
Amaury Bischoff Contract Ended
Rui Fonte Contract Ended
Abu Ogogo Contract Ended
Paul Rodgers Contract Ended
Rene Steer Contract Ended
Havard Nordtveit On Loan Lillestrom

IN
Thomas Vermaelen Undisclosed Ajax

ManUtd

OUT
Manucho Undisclosed Real Valladolid
Richard Eckersley Undisclosed Burnley
Fraizer Campbell £ 3,500,000 Sunderland
Lee Martin Undisclosed Ipswich Town
Rodrigo Possebon On Loan Braga
Cristiano Ronaldo £ 80,000,000 Real Madrid

IN
Michael Owen Free Transfer Newcastle United
Gabriel Obertan Undisclosed Bordeaux
Antonio Valencia Undisclosed Wigan Athletic

Chelsea

OUT
Scott Sinclair On Loan Wigan Athletic
Ryan Bertrand On Loan Reading
Franco Di Santo On Loan Blackburn Rovers
Morten Nielsen Free Transfer AZ Alkmaar
Lee Sawyer On Loan Southend United
Jimmy Smith Free Transfer Leyton Orient
Tom Taiwo On Loan Carlisle United
Ben Sahar Undisclosed Espanyol
Slobodan Rajkovic On Loan FC Twente

IN
Yuri Zhirkov Undisclosed CSKA Moscow
Daniel Sturridge Undisclosed Manchester City
Ross Turnbull Free Transfer Middlesbrough
Andriy Shevchenko Loan : Expired AC Milan
Scott Sinclair Loan : Expired Birmingham City

RS

OUT

Jermaine Pennant Free Transfer Real Zaragoza
Ryan Flynn On Loan Falkirk
Sebastian Leto £ 1,300,000 Panathinaikos
Sami Hyypia Free Transfer Bayer Leverkusen
Jack Hobbs Undisclosed Leicester City
Paul Anderson £ 250,000 Nottingham Forest
Miki Roque Released

IN
Glen Johnson Undisclosed Portsmouth

Arsenal. 3 first teamers out, 1 unknown in.
Man Utd. 2 first teamers out, 2 in.
Chelsea. 0 first teamers out, 1 in.
Liverpool. 3 first teamers out (Arbeloa and Alonso missed) and 2 in (Aquilani missed)

So of the four that finished above us, Arsenal are two down. Man Utd are as were. Chelsea have added one. And Liverpool are one down.
I suspect their fans are as glad as I am that the window goes as far as the end of August.

 

[SuitsBlueX2]

The key word there is bought. Who have we bought who is even first team material? (Bar Jo who was already here).

Your obviously not much of a realist, but to be honest, I used to think the sun shined out of Everton's arse. Turns out it doesn't.

Pardon me for getting a bit real, but when did we 'buy' Jo last season?

 

[Azzbot]

Pardon me for getting a bit real, but when did we 'buy' Jo last season?

Love how your picking up on small things to get away from the fact your chatting bubbles.

Besides, I'm sure I didn't say we bought him, I think I said "who we already had last season".

Just 'cos we didn't buy him, doesn't mean he wasn't there.

Let me re phrase. Who have we bought or loaned this season who would get near our first team? Although you already knew what I meant like.

 

[SuitsBlueX2]

Love how your picking up on small things to get away from the fact your chatting bubbles.

Besides, I'm sure I didn't say we bought him, I think I said "who we already had last season".

Just 'cos we didn't buy him, doesn't mean he wasn't there.

Let me re phrase. Who have we bought or loaned this season who would get near our first team? Although you already knew what I meant like.

Ready for some 'small things'?
Firstly I do not agree about chatting bubbles.
We did not sign or loan Jo until January so he was certainly not here before then (Aug - Jan)
We have reloaned Jo but this time for a full season (allegedly -think Howard).
I do not appreciate being told what I know or what I knew. If you are a mind reader, please introduce yourself as one, I am not a mind reader and all I can do is interpret the text you type on an internet forum. Thanks.

 

[Azzbot]

Ready for some 'small things'?
Firstly I do not agree about chatting bubbles.
We did not sign or loan Jo until January so he was certainly not here before then (Aug - Jan)
We have reloaned Jo but this time for a full season (allegedly -think Howard).
I do not appreciate being told what I know or what I knew. If you are a mind reader, please introduce yourself as one, I am not a mind reader and all I can do is interpret the text you type on an internet forum. Thanks.

So what your saying is, you think I'm so thick and know so little about our club I thought we actually bought Jo?

Was he at our club last year or not?

For the third time, who have we bought this year (bar Jo who we already had on loan) will get near our first team?

When we bought Cahill and Radz etc, they all played for us.

I somehow don't think Peterlin or Coleman will.

 

[Goat]

The Fact is, we havent really improved the squad, some of the teams above us have, some of them havent. A lot of the teams below us have clearly improved.

I suppose its how you view it all really.

 

[Azzbot]

The Fact is, we havent really improved the squad, some of the teams above us have, some of them havent. A lot of the teams below us have clearly improved.

I suppose its how you view it all really.

Oh how the times have changed since I was away.

I'm sure it used to be FACT as opposed to Fact. Bit more suttle I suppose though.

 

[SuitsBlueX2]

So what your saying is, you think I'm so thick and know so little about our club I thought we actually bought Jo?

Was he at our club last year or not?

For the third time, who have we bought this year (bar Jo who we already had on loan) will get near our first team?

When we bought Cahill and Radz etc, they all played for us.

I somehow don't think Peterlin or Coleman will.

I did not say anything like what you have questioned. !
Jo was not at our club last year, Jo has only been associated with our squad having being loaned in in January 09. Last year was 08.
Regards who will get into our first team this year, I am not the manager nor am I able to forsee injuries.
When we bought Cahill, Ratzinski was sold to Fulham.
Peterlin is on a years contract? Odd really, either a reserve filler to gain American air time, or a possible solution without pressurising him. Coleman is significantly younger isn't he?

 

[Goat]

I like bold

 

[Azzbot]

I did not say anything like what you have questioned. !
Jo was not at our club last year, Jo has only been associated with our squad having being loaned in in January 09. Last year was 08.
Regards who will get into our first team this year, I am not the manager nor am I able to forsee injuries.
When we bought Cahill, Ratzinski was sold to Fulham.
Peterlin is on a years contract? Odd really, either a reserve filler to gain American air time, or a possible solution without pressurising him. Coleman is significantly younger isn't he?

I know you never, I was merely pointing out I knew we didn't sign Jo.

Stop being so pedantic. YOU KNOW I MEAN LAST SEASON. Why would I talk about calendar years, when we are on a footballing site, I'm obviously talking about seasons.

Exactly, doesn't matter what the reasons are, they still wont get a game, and that's the difference to when we finished 4th. Our signings played.

 

[SuitsBlueX2]

I know you never, I was merely pointing out I knew we didn't sign Jo.

Stop being so pedantic. YOU KNOW I MEAN LAST SEASON. Why would I talk about calendar years, when we are on a footballing site, I'm obviously talking about seasons.

Exactly, doesn't matter what the reasons are, they still wont get a game, and that's the difference to when we finished 4th. Our signings played.

I disagree with 'pedantic' you said year, not season. Again with the mind reading. ('obvious')
As for the season we signed two players and they both the season, do you count Jo as a player signed for the season? If so, is all you need to be happy with is the signing of one more first team player?