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That's the sad part,it's for novelty value.
'Twas ever thus though. When the likes of the Mortirolo, Angliru and Zoncolan were introduced they were deemed so hard as to be absurd, yet they're now regularly the highlights of those races. The Tourmalet itself reduced riders to calling the organisers assassins for making them trudge over it. Climbs are regularly done in the snow for our entertainment, and, as I said, stage 7 of the 2010 Giro was one of the best in modern times, and triggered the enormously popular Strada Bianche classic that is now a much loved part of the spring calendar. It's probably only a matter of time before the Pico Veleta is raced all the way to the top, or they take the race up the gravel to the Pic du Midi above the Tourmalet.
 

'Twas ever thus though. When the likes of the Mortirolo, Angliru and Zoncolan were introduced they were deemed so hard as to be absurd, yet they're now regularly the highlights of those races. The Tourmalet itself reduced riders to calling the organisers assassins for making them trudge over it. Climbs are regularly done in the snow for our entertainment, and, as I said, stage 7 of the 2010 Giro was one of the best in modern times, and triggered the enormously popular Strada Bianche classic that is now a much loved part of the spring calendar. It's probably only a matter of time before the Pico Veleta is raced all the way to the top, or they take the race up the gravel to the Pic du Midi above the Tourmalet.

I don't know much about the UCI races but I know Stateside the recreational rides are often insane. The difficulty is determining just how insane they are and whether you measure up enough to try them out.
 
I don't know much about the UCI races but I know Stateside the recreational rides are often insane. The difficulty is determining just how insane they are and whether you measure up enough to try them out.
I reckon the pros can properly race up most things as they're just ridiculously strong, but for me, grovelling up a climb and success being simply making it to the top isn't anywhere near as enjoyable as riding hard on a climb but feeling in control. Did an event several years ago with the Gavia and Mortirolo on the menu, for instance, and the Gavia was hard but thoroughly enjoyable. The less said about the Mortirolo the better. Utterly horrid. 10kmh is probably that tipping point. It's no fun crawling up a climb in single figures for an hour or so.
 
'Twas ever thus though. When the likes of the Mortirolo, Angliru and Zoncolan were introduced they were deemed so hard as to be absurd, yet they're now regularly the highlights of those races. The Tourmalet itself reduced riders to calling the organisers assassins for making them trudge over it. Climbs are regularly done in the snow for our entertainment, and, as I said, stage 7 of the 2010 Giro was one of the best in modern times, and triggered the enormously popular Strada Bianche classic that is now a much loved part of the spring calendar. It's probably only a matter of time before the Pico Veleta is raced all the way to the top, or they take the race up the gravel to the Pic du Midi above the Tourmalet.
And they wonder at the level of doping. Put crazy climbs in races,then sit back and see the outcome.
 

And they wonder at the level of doping. Put crazy climbs in races,then sit back and see the outcome.
To be fair though, they're crazy to us because we're mortal. I suspect the likes of the Mortirolo for the pros would be more like a 7-8% climb for us. Even with Pico Veleta, quite a few pros train in that area as there's an altitude training facility at the ski resort. It's not "that" hard really, or as easy as a 45km climb can be.

Speaking personally I'm very much looking forward to the next week, as you've got the sterrata tomorrow, the Zoncolan on Saturday and then the Fedaia/Giau on Monday. Having riden those two a number of times, they're brutes, especially with the Pordoi thrown in for good measure. Hopefully the local authorities have managed to repair the road through Sottaguda and the race goes through it, as that's a magical place, which is just as well as the couple of km of straight road after you exit are soul destroying!

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Some amazing countryside to race through,I just think to get the sport clean maybe a decade of challenging tours without the extreme stages might have helped rehabilitate cycling in the eyes of the general public. But then there is the TV money.
 
Some amazing countryside to race through,I just think to get the sport clean maybe a decade of challenging tours without the extreme stages might have helped rehabilitate cycling in the eyes of the general public. But then there is the TV money.
We don't see as many crazy stages as we once did imo. In the 90s 200km stages were pretty regular. In the 1998 Giro, for instance, there were around 10 stages of 200km or more, including the decisive stage 19 that was a whopping 243km and 7h40m of racing. You don't see that any more, with this year's race having just 3 stages over 200km. You also don't tend to see such huge gaps between riders as you did in the past. I'd love someone to go long on the Fedaia, for instance, as Pantani did when he put 4 minutes into Zulle, but I just can't see it happening, and it's more likely that a decent group will still be together most of the way up the Giau.
 

On UCI pro teams... can you help a brother out?

I know that there are several levels of UCI professional ranks and there are a handful (dozen or so?) top level teams, but I'm still having a hard time putting it all together, made more confusing (or clear, maybe) by moments like this:

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This is of course, an Ineos Grenadier (an off-road vehicle for sale this year?) loaded up with bikes from Team Ineos Grenadiers (a UCI racing team, formerly Team Ineos, Team Sky), and with the livery of the same team... Ok, so I understand that sponsorship plays a large role in all teams/names/branding to some extent, so then what is the continuity of UCI teams? Is it team managers/directors who organize the teams? Most teams don't seem to have any sense of place (or do they?) even though some are (quasi) national teams or have nationalism branded into them. It seems like some teams come and go in the night with/out lack of funding... how does this work? Or do I just need to breathe it all in until it makes sense?
 
On UCI pro teams... can you help a brother out?

I know that there are several levels of UCI professional ranks and there are a handful (dozen or so?) top level teams, but I'm still having a hard time putting it all together, made more confusing (or clear, maybe) by moments like this:

grenadiers-car-team-ineos-grenadiers-pinarello-bike-detail-view-the-picture-id1281254486


This is of course, an Ineos Grenadier (an off-road vehicle for sale this year?) loaded up with bikes from Team Ineos Grenadiers (a UCI racing team, formerly Team Ineos, Team Sky), and with the livery of the same team... Ok, so I understand that sponsorship plays a large role in all teams/names/branding to some extent, so then what is the continuity of UCI teams? Is it team managers/directors who organize the teams? Most teams don't seem to have any sense of place (or do they?) even though some are (quasi) national teams or have nationalism branded into them. It seems like some teams come and go in the night with/out lack of funding... how does this work? Or do I just need to breathe it all in until it makes sense?
You have teams that have been around for a very long time but they change sponsors so the name of the team changes. Quickstep, for instance have strictly speaking been in existence since 2003, but they themselves were formed after the Mapei team went under due to the sponsor pulling out. Quickstep were a junior sponsor so formed a team with a lot of the riders from the former Mapei squad.

Similarly, JumboVisma have been around for an age but were most well known as the Rabobank squad from the 90s/00s. It was after one too many drug busts that they pulled out and they've had various sponsors since then. Similarly, Movistar are probably most well known as the Banesto team that Indurain won his 5 Tours and 2 Giros with. I think they're the longest running team in the sport, having been formed in 1980.

That's probably the common model, with sponsors backing a team who are then named after them, but the team is owned by a separate body, with a notable exception being the EF squad, which is actually owned by EF Education First. Having spoken to Vaughters, they very much believe that gives them the security to take a more long-term approach to things. As you say, teams can come and go very quickly. A famous example was Team Coast from 2003, who had guys like Ullrich and Zulle in the ranks, but they were beset by financial troubles and the team folded halfway through the season, with Bianchi stepping in and keeping the team going for the rest of the year before it folded for good.

The nature of the sport means that few teams have much in the way of a base, with riders typically living somewhere right from a terrain/weather/tax perspective (Girona, Monaco/Nice, Sierra Nevada, Andorra etc.) and they do their own training outside of dedicated training camps and then meet up for races. Most riders are essentially contractors rather than employees (think Uber as a comparison). The team sponsorship is complicated by individual sponsorship for particular riders. For instance, I think most of the wages of Peter Sagan and Mark Cavendish are paid by their individual sponsors rather than team sponsors.

You will get teams with a national or regional identity. For instance, the Euskatel squad famously only used Basque riders, and Rabobank would have a strong Dutch core to the team. Even today Quickstep will have a core of classics men from the Benelux as that's their bread and butter, with Movistar similarly having a lot of Spanish climbers. Bora tend to have a lot of riders from central Europe. One of the nice things about the sport though, for me at least, is that fans tend to cheer on everyone, and while they may have favourite riders, it's less common to follow particular teams, with most happy just to see good racing.
 

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